<p>JHS – I agree with you. But when I refer to kids with “no realistic chance of admission,” I’m not talking students who wind up at non-HYP Ivies or Ivy-equivalents like Duke or U of C. To my mind, those kids did have a realistic chance of admission. When I think of no realistic chance, I’m thinking about kids who wind up at far less selective schools; kids who are themselves misinformed about what highly selective colleges look for in their applicants, kids who have grievously misinformed and aggressive parents, or kids who just want to throw a HYP application at the wall for the hell of it.</p>