<p>I think Christiansoldier is half asian half white. Christiansoldier I personally would not have retaken such a high score, but you are right it demonstrates your work ethic and need to always be the best. I’m sure another school will look upon it favorably but obviously Yale didn’t. You’ll get into at least one HPMS I’ll bet on it now!!!</p>
<p>to Christiansoldier, i’m just wondering if you ever heard about the chinese person who had perfect everything, got accepted from everywhere, except Princeton… Rejected… So that person ended up sueing the university… yea, so shut it ;)</p>
<p>No one has a right to be angry about college decisions. Not only is it largely based on chance at these higher places, but these institutions can seriously do what they want. The entire notion that someone could be justifiably angry because he was not accepted to a school (especially when he’s likely to be accepted at many other schools) is disgusting. Literally, puke-worthy. And that’s without mentioning the general BS that goes into college admissions.</p>
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<p>Simply because a university reserves the right to accept or reject any student it wants to, all applicants have the right to be angry at college decisions. It’s the equivalent of saying that a person ruined by a hurricane has no right to be furious at the hurricane because a hurricane does not choose who it destroys. Furthermore, a student may be justifiably angry if the decision seems to suggest that the school does not follow the standards it sets for itself in what it looks for in an applicant.</p>
<p>What do you mean the school doesn’t follow standards? The only standards these places have set is that there is basically no standard. You have to be “good,” but these selective institutions take into account so much and are already under such constraints that you will never be able to say “you should have been accepted because of what they look for, but you weren’t.” It’s the same rhetoric that everyone uses here because IT’S CORRECT. These places are largely random. </p>
<p>What you described is that students have a right to be angry. Sure, they can BE angry. However, it’s not justified. PLENTY of people who are as or more talented than christiansoldier, as or more likely to take advantage of resources, as or more intelligent, etc. will get and have gotten rejected for some reason or the other. If you’re rejected, too bad—you can’t be angry with them. It’s their institution. They’ll admit whoever they want. You can never say that you should have gotten in—that’s not only subjective, but also arrogant, rude, self-centered, and straight up annoying. </p>
<p>I’ll say this—if I were in admissions at Yale, and I saw christiansoldier’s application, and I knew that deferring (by the way, we aren’t even talking about a frickin’ rejection) him would not be some mistake that would screw us over because we have many similar applicants, AND I knew what arrogance he would display under these circumstances, I’d be very hesitant to accept him. </p>
<p>Your hurricane analogy is pretty nonsensical. First of all, hurricanes v. college applications. Homes v. college applications. Really. Not only is there a seriousness difference, there is also a difference in that one is a goal and one is a means (getting into a college does not serve as a goal here, either.) Second, it’s not like this is the only school christiansoldier is applying to. If you had many extremely beautiful houses all over the country, then you have less reason to be angry. If the hurricane might not even destroy your house, you have less reason to be angry. And, most importantly, you HAVE NO RIGHT to complain, TO EVERYONE, about how your house getting destroyed was unfair because it was fancy and nice, especially when there are far more people who are as good of people as you (the equivalent to talent or intelligence or whatever in this analogy) who also had homes destroyed in the hurricane. </p>
<p>Do you see what I’m saying? Not only do I have a problem with christiansoldier’s anger, because he will be fine and the college process is so random, but he’s also broadcasting those feelings to people who are probably extremely annoyed that, for whatever reason (not having parents who pushed them as much, or more likely, not matching the incredibly arbitrary standards set in college admissions) they do not have an application like his.</p>
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Shut up. Your argument is ridiculous in SO MANY aspects.</p>
<p>I don’t know how I would stop myself from punching the wall if I was christiansoldier and looked in the Yale EA decisions thread, and saw:</p>
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<p>ACCEPTED!</p>
<p>But I’d take the acceptance if I got in second round. (Unless I got into Princeton, of course.) It’s not really hurting Yale if you turn them down, and it certainly won’t help you.</p>
<p>OK. I don’t care what you do. If you’re ready to assume that you’re “better” than someone based on three statistics, go ahead. </p>
<p>Some of your (people on this site) conceptions on how this stuff works are frighteningly out of touch.</p>
<p>EDIT—By the way, I think this should be quite clear, although I should probably clarify for those who think my “argument is ridiculous in SO MANY aspects.”</p>
<p>You can be angry with a college on one level—angry that you didn’t get in, or something like that. You should NEVER feel any sense of entitlement, however. No matter what. It’s a delicate line between being angry for acceptable reasons and angry for horrible reasons.</p>
<p>EDIT—Saugus, I hope you realize how incredibly ignorant it is to punch a wall because of a GPA, rank, and SAT score without anything else. I’m guessing (and hoping) that you meant that as a small example, but still.</p>
<p>EDIT—Sorry, I forgot double posting isn’t good here. Or at least I’m guessing it isn’t.</p>
<p>@Starbuck11 and Saugus - I have to agree with Starbuck11, but let’s try to avoid conflict. I somehow think that we’re not going to change each other’s minds, so why are we arguing with each other over something so trivial?</p>
<p>I understand your point Saugus, trust me. I have a 4.8/4.0, 2390 SAT, 36 ACT, USAMO, USABO, Siemens, and Intel maybe. I got rejected from Stanford SCEA, and I was so angry at first, that I WANTED to punch a wall. In the end though, I realized that there were more qualified applicants, and that I would end up somewhere great, where I would be happy. Stats aren’t everything. If someone had a 2000 and cured a deadly disease, I would definitely choose him or her over me if I were the adcom. It doesn’t even need to be that extreme of an achievement.</p>
<p>@Starbuck11 - I agree, no sense of entitlement, but you also have to think about how much it sucks to be working your whole life for something, doing everything you can, having perfect stats, and having it not be enough. That is frustrating beyond belief. It’s a sense of total defeat and you begin to question yourself, and then you get angry. I doubt that anyone feels entitled to Yale. Just angry that things didn’t work out.</p>
<p>Geesh 4.8/4.0, 2390 SAT, 36 ACT, USAMO, USABO, Siemens, and Intel maybe, these stats and rejected by Stanford~!!! That sucks!! I’m sure you’ll get into a ton of other top schools
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<p>Wow… Rejected from SCEA with a 4.8, a 2390, and those awards?..</p>
<p>Man, I’m starting to doubt my chances more and more every day…</p>
<p>It’s like a huge-motivation drain seeing you people get rejected… I’m starting to lose my focus…</p>
<p>I’m not sure that I can hold up… I’m no Christiansoldier or Anomynous93… What’s the point of trying if it’s not going to do anything?</p>
<p>I feel like a loser. ):</p>
<p>If anything, you should find it encouraging. I doubt they were able to find a few hundred people better than Anonymous (that is, who could beat him at his own game). They found a few hundred people who are different.</p>
<p>Stanford is so strange in its admissions that anything wouldn’t surprise me there. I would be surprised if Anonymous didnt get into at least 2/3 HYP. The only way to be guarenteed in at Stanford is to be an recruit or a minority (hispanics dont get much benfifit there though).</p>
<p>@Starbuck11: Check your premises. I never said I thought christiansoldier’s anger was justified, since I don’t know enough about his particular case nor about Yale’s standards. My point is that everyone has a right to his own emotions, and you nor anyone else can say that he does not have a right to his anger. Whether it is justified is not my argument. Whether he is going to be accepted to other great colleges is irrelevant. My hurricane analogy is not the best, I admit, but it adequately serves its purpose. </p>
<p>Your saying that since he has other beautiful little homes (extending my analogy, no less), he has no right to complain, is ridiculous. It’s like saying one parent who lost a child cannot be as devastated as another who lost one as well, because the first parent has five more children while the second parent has only one other. christiansoldier has every right to rant as long as he wants to anybody. You reserve the right not to listen.</p>
<p>Of course colleges have standards - they obviously do not accept or reject students arbitrarily. They like certain things; they dislike others. Granted, these standards are not precise molds that you can put a student on and see if he fits or not.</p>
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I didn’t feel the need to state the obvious to Starbuck11, but that is a lot of what I would have said to him.</p>
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<p>Good way to stop yourself from punching a wall would be to search up the word holistic in the dictionary.</p>
<p>@collegestress16 - I was not “surprised” to be rejected. I was just…sad? It’s okay now though.</p>
<p>@Saugus - Really, it shouldn’t be a discouragement. If anything, it should help you. Obviously, stats are not that important, which is something that a lot of people seemed to be worried about.</p>
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<p>I think you should listen to your own words 
I know that they helped me come to peace with my rejection. Yale is the same way. </p>
<p>@RtGrove123 -
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<p>AHHH!!! Don’t say that! It’s a jinx :)</p>
<p>Anyway, I think you guys missed my main point? It was not to argue PLEASE. At least two of us are most likely going to meet, and it’d be so awkward to be like “Oh, you’re ______? I fought with you on CC! Nice to meet you!”</p>
<p>A lot of great students get deferred/rejected for SCEA from Stanford/Yale. My child (who went to a college prep high school) was deferred then ultimately rejected from Yale. He was accepted RD to Stanford and Princeton (and others which he desired less than S or P- he did not apply to Harvard). 6 of his classmates were accepted to Yale and at least three of them were rejected SCEA from Stanford. They were all great students with numbers which showed that they could succeed. My child now attends Princeton and loves it. I think it’s a fluke as to which terrific college a qualified applicant is accepted to. It may be race, gender, culture, athletics, music, drama, special skills or some other non-academic reason that explains admission. If you applied to a range of schools you should be admitted to at least one that would be a good fit. Read The Gatekeepers by Jacques Steinberg for some insight as to the process (he was an admissions person at Wesleyan). The best thing I read when my child was applying to college - an emotional and not always pleasant process- was a post by a princeton graduate at <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/432489-all-things-i-learned-princeton-these-most-important.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/princeton-university/432489-all-things-i-learned-princeton-these-most-important.html</a> . It was both profound and optimistic, just what college applicants need right now. Good luck to all.</p>
<p>I didn’t challenge your idea that he can be angry. Of course he can. It’s just not justified. Sorry (to darkblademaster) if I actually made it seem like he can’t be angry, because that’s obviously nonsense.</p>