Don't Believe The Hype: Prestige/Rankings In Engineering Do Not Really Matter....

[sakky]

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But here is something else I want to point out. I think the 20% graduation rates for engineers is absurd. I have no problems calling you on that sakky.

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<p>Exactly what are you calling me on? Did I make the claim regarding that 20% graduation rate figure? I think not. If you disagree with that figure, you are free to take it up with the poster (the OP) who actually proposed it. </p>

<p>My point is simply that you absolutely cannot determine engineering graduation rates by examining overall schoolwide graduation figures. I think that’s a rather elementary point, and I’m quite surprised that it’s garnered so much pushback. </p>

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I believe there is like a 65-70% rate right now. I just emailed someone in the nuclear department at Berkeley about it. I’ll let you know when I get an answer. Then we can solve this for good and everyone can shutup about the rates.

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<p>No, that would not solve the riddle for good, for you would still be looking at one engineering department - and a tiny and highly misrepresentative one at that - at only one school. </p>

<p>See below.</p>

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Yall are arguing over philosphies too much. No one will ever win this way. Someone find some numbers and back their shiz up. There’s no point in arguing like this. Find your numbers and land that knockout punch. We’re engineers for christ sake! Not theorists. Use your stats!

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<p>You want figures? You can have figures galore.</p>

<p>Roughly fifty percent of the students who begin in engineering leave the field before receiving
their engineering degree</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.engrng.pitt.edu/~ec2000/grant_papers/Shuman+ASEE-99.PDF[/url]”>http://www.engrng.pitt.edu/~ec2000/grant_papers/Shuman+ASEE-99.PDF&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>research has found that engineering programs are particularly vulnerable, with attrition rates exceeding 60% (Besterfield-Sacre, Atman & Shuman, 1997)</p>

<p>[Engineering</a> students’ perceptions of academic activities and support services: factors that influence their academic performance | College Student Journal | Find Articles at BNET](<a href=“http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCR/is_4_38/ai_n8589838/]Engineering”>http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0FCR/is_4_38/ai_n8589838/)</p>

<p>The Semiconductor Industry Association (SIA) has awarded grants to five leading engineering schools to support innovative programs to address a high drop-out rate among engineering students. The SIA noted that approximately 50 percent of all students majoring in electrical engineering drop out of their major before completing their studies</p>

<p>[Press</a> Release Detail | Semiconductor Industry Association](<a href=“http://www.sia-online.org/cs/papers_publications/press_release_detail?pressrelease.id=160]Press”>http://www.sia-online.org/cs/papers_publications/press_release_detail?pressrelease.id=160)</p>