You need to ask UW, not 2nd and 3rd hand sources about getting into your majors. These other sources have no power to help you get into your majors.
IB credits are great (for gen eds etc) but may not impact your degree timeline at all in your even " pseudo engineering" plan if you go to a more selective uni. You might just be shocked at what even early calc and physics classes look like in a competitive environment. What are your HLs? Do you have APs also?
Okay I’ll try to contact the office to find out about this. I’ll also check this weekend at the reception (if not I’m still going probably, it’s free food at a hotel in Waikiki and I’m a teenager who likes food)
I’m sorry I just don’t see it. UH or a gap year with admission to a guaranteed scholarship like Alabama is your best option.
Your dad is 62.
You do understand that the amount you/your parents will owe by the time you’re done will be more than the amount you’ve taken out? Have your sister run the numbers including interest at the very least.
This is how people end up with massive student debt in their 30s and 40s.
Our son’s 60 Credits for USC only gave him advanced standing for registration, which most other engineering students also had and did NOT help him graduate any sooner. His credits were for 14 or more AP courses plus a college statistics course he took and aced at age 15. USC engineering made him re-take all the calculus and physics – it was a nice review for him but didn’t make him graduate sooner. He was a direct admit into engineering with nice merit aid.
Why gamble as to whether you and sister will be admitted into your fields at UW for the huge debt you will incur?
Pre-meds and engineers should ALL stay in-state if they want to save up money. GO to UH and do well. If you say you can do better, then show UH that continuous GPA of 4.0
I would add in to @CourtneyThurston’s point in post 418 that even though you personally have awesome stats and are obviously talented, the kids who you are taking classes with will be stressed and competitive trying to get those limited slots. Your chances may be good, but the atmosphere you are studying in is poisoned by everyone else’s stress in fighting the overall odds.
HLs are bio, psychology, English lit (only ones available at my school). My sister and I also took AP world history (both scored 5). UW’s website says I can earn 10 for bio, 5 each for psychology and English, plus additional 15 for completing diploma (which I am likely to) and 5 more for APWH, totalling 40 credits.
Doesn’t sound like those HLs will help you get your engineering or stats degree, particularly in 3 years. You need to talk to admin at UW and find out how hard/easy it is to get into your and sister’s fields, since you weren’t admitted.
UH is sounding better and better. Please do yourself, sis and your family a huge favor and go and look at UH with an open mind. Find out about engineering, stats, honors programs, exchange options, and honor societies. See what they offer – you and your family may be pleasantly surprised.
Exchange options, yes. Years ago my cousin transferred to UH from her state school in Colorado (she just wanted to be in HI) under an exchange option and paid only her normal in-state CO tuition. She had a fabulous time there for 3 years. Maybe you can do the reverse of this somehow?
It’s not just a matter of credits - they have to match requirements. What it means is that you’ll get out of first semester English, one semester of social science, one semester of history/humanities. That’s half a semester, none of which counting toward engineering. The rest will add up as elective credits. So, you’ll e doing your engineering degree in four to four and a half years like most.
In addition, if you’re not direct admit at UW, it’ll be really hard. Spending all this money and not getting into engineering would be terrible.
At least at UR you’re in for your major.
Has UR replied yet? (it’s the middle if the afternoon on the East Coast).
Why won’t you consider a gap year? Most top schools encourage it (it promotes growth, maturity, self awareness… and increases time management.)
Obviously, as a solution beside UH and Nacac but it is probably your best bet for a good school that’ll award merit.
Regarding NSE : Can students do that for more than a year, switching campuses? There are a lot of interesting colleges in the US AND in Canada. Also, is it possible for engineering students?
So what math and physics do you have? No chem, physics, math APs?
I have to agree that my students’ experience at UW has been similar to what @CourtneyThurston stated. Unless a direct admit as an engineering major ,at UW it is very difficult to get into a particular major. The GPA requirements are just minimums and you need much high gpas and available spaces in your major.
As others have said, just because you have the AP credits does not mean it will count toward necessary classes for an IE major. It has been my experience that engineering requires specific classes that are not satisfied with AP credits, you simply get to register in an earlier spot than other freshmen students and you will have a nice bunch of elective credits that don’t count for much on your university approved degree plan.
I would worry less about AP CREDIT and more about being prepared for the competition in a selective eng program. Those HLs are really not helping at all. The competition will be coming in with AP calc (BC let alone AB), HL math, AP physics', HL physics. Weeding can be harsh.
I just joined CC to respond to this after lurking on this thread–I’m seriously concerned about the assumptions you and your family are making and the repercussions they could have on your lives. I won’t get into the ones about graduating UW in three years, since people have responded to that. But I’ll address a couple of issues to try to get you to understand that none of your current college options make sense whatsoever. First, your father says he plans to work until his 70s. What if he becomes seriously ill? Trust me, as someone who’s not far off from that age, it’s extremely common. Second, people his age may not have the choice to work that long–ageism is rampant and people are laid off all the time, regardless of skills or professional experience (obviously I don’t know what kind of work he does, but do understand that there’s a huge disadvantage to being older in the workforce. In most jobs, he can’t count on being allowed to work that long.) Second, your mom is going to raid her savings (which isn’t much to begin with) so you and your sister can go to college? When she’s her age? Insanity. Third, you need to rethink the assumption that you’ll be able to pay off much debt before graduate school by working. In most cities where you -might- be able to get a higher paying job, the cost of living is extremely high and young adults struggle just to pay the bills. That includes the Seattle area. And how will you then be able to pay for graduate school? The very smartest thing a college student can do is GRADUATE WITH NO DEBT AT ALL! That is way more important than where you go to college! What matters is how you do in college!
Look, I was fortunate enough to graduate from an Ivy League college back in the 80s. Was that a ticket to success for me or my classmates? Absolutely not. There are people in my class who are enormously successful–to the tune of being worth hundreds of millions of dollars and having powerful and successful careers. And there’s a guy in my class who just killed himself after struggling for years. Others are battling mental illness and quite a few others have been laid off and haven’t been able to find comparable work. Most of us are somewhere in the middle of those extremes. The myth that college determines how you do in life is extremely destructive. Please, accept reality and either go to University of Hawaii (and do great there!) or find a college with your grades and test scores that you can attend without incurring any debt. I highly encourage you to read the book Debt-Free U by Zac Bissonette. I don’t agree with all of his advice, but perhaps it could show you that your perspective (and your parents’ and society’s) is setting you and your parents up for financial disaster.
For admission to the industrial engineering and statistics majors (both of which are competitive admission):
https://www.engr.washington.edu/current/admissions/admitstats
http://www.stat.washington.edu/undergraduate/major/
Note: it is much harder to earn a 3.3 GPA in college than in high school.
To see how doable graduating in 3 years (9 quarters) is, look up the degree requirements (including major and general education requirements), course prerequisite sequencing, and AP/IB credit equivalencies and see if you can make a 9 quarter course plan. (It is probably harder than you are assuming, particularly if you do not have any advanced placement in math.)
WSU looks like it’s still accepting admissions and it is a WUE school so you’d be looking at $15k/year tuition + room and board. While it doesn’t have system/industrial engineering, they do have applied math which is close enough for undergraduate purposes. While Pullman’s not my thing, I’ve numerous coworkers and acquaintances who loved it there.
I took a quick peek at the other WUE schools that I’d consider–Colorado State, Utah and Idaho. It wasn’t obvious whether or not you could still apply. Looking at the material, one other thing did occur to me–apply for spring semester. It’s sorta like a gap year but not quite as long, there would be less learning loss and the competition is lessened. That said, I’ve no idea if merit for the spring is the same as it it for the fall.
@jql2017 - Do take a look at WUE schools. Boise State is another school that is currently accepting applications. I am not sure if the WUE scholarship is still available, but you really need to take a look for a 4 year COA that is much lower. Schools to consider (not sure if they are accepting applications still but spring admit is another option). Northern Arizona University, University of Wyoming, Portland State University, University of Nevada Reno.
My nephew went in to debt to go to UW computer science. He was at a point of dropping out after his Sophomore year because even after his loans and his parents loans, he could not make the tuition payment for the following fall. The reason was that his summer internship fell through with Hewlett Packard. I found all of this out and asked the company that I worked for about our internship program. Sure enough, I was able to offer him an internship on the spot and he came to Colorado to live with us for the summer. He was able to stay in school and came back the next summer for another internship before graduating. He had loads of AP classes but it still took the full 4 years to graduate.
Once out, he could not find a SW job in Seattle. He ended up moving to Portland for a job and moved back in with his parents. He used that time and the high paying job he had to pay his loans off. It took him 4 years and his loan balance was under $80k.
Please reconsider going into debt to fund college. A small amount of debt is fine, but significant debt is just not practical just to get a College Name. On that note, I have been managing software teams for 20 years. I have hired and fired many people of that time. Rarely does where they went for undergraduate matter. It really only matters for your 1st job or your Grad School. After that, it is your work history in my experience.
Glad to see people echoing my suggestions for WUE and Gap Year (or both).
OP this is a challenging process. If Plan A doesn’t come to fruition you need to be ready to kick the crap out of Plan B!
I think there’s entirely too much numbers wrangling going on in this thread. OP, you have $23k/year for college ($15k from parents + $5500 federal student loan + $3k summer work earnings). That’s your budget. Unless you get enough merit aid somewhere to cover room & board and travel, the amount you have to spend is $23k.
All the talk of 2nd mortgages, bankrupting your mom’s emergency fund, PLUS loans for your 62 year old dad and/or working until he’s 70 are just noise. None of your options are affordable. If you don’t take a gap year, your affordable choices are probably these:
- community college
- the Univ. of Hawaii
- Univ. of AL
- school from the NACAC list
There’s nothing wrong with any of them. You want to enjoy your college years, not rush through because you can’t afford more than 3 years. You want to be able to travel abroad and have a social life, not work every second to pay the bills. You want to come away with a degree, not come home in a year or two with substantial debt and no degree because financing didn’t work out.
It’s already April. You really need to choose one of your affordable options and move on. We can help you search out affordable schools that offer merit for your stats, but it will be much more difficult if you’re spending your energy chasing unaffordable schools.