Oh, please. How disingenuous can you get?
You and I have never been actually discriminated against for being pale. (And don’t try to tell me that people favoring a nice tan equals discrimination!) No one was ever spat upon for entering a public school for being pale, or lynched, or prevented from voting, or any number of things.
Just give me a break.
Exactly. This is like the “all lives matter” people. You aren’t kidding anyone.
Interesting perspective from the black model in the Dove ad…
http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/10/media/dove-ad-woman-responds/index.html?iid=hp-stack-dom
Yup. Start by having diversity in the decision making process.
The fact that these very problematic ads keep getting by points to the fact that something needs to change.
"Ogunyemi said the women featured in the ad understood the concept, adding that she loved the final product. People congratulated her for “representing Black Girl Magic,” she said.
She also said a version presented as a TV commercial included seven women of different races and ages. Each woman answered the question, “If your skin were a wash label, what would it say?”
Seven women. Maybe the full ad did not look as horribly racist as the snippet. Maybe that’s where the “normal” came from? Because that question can be answered with the tone or dryness level. I would have said, “regular.”
“This artist makes tiles of every skin color he has encountered.”
You neglected to mention that the artist wasn’t labelling any of those skin colors as normal nor indicating that some were preferable to others, to use your Nazi example. So, the relevance of your art lesson to this thread is lost on me.
Hmmm…and you know my life experiences with such certainty…how?
I was seriously triggered, experienced emotional distress so I really can not be asked to career inquire about the artists intent…the only thing that should have mattered in the situation was MY discomfort…according to current thought. I guess I should demand an apology.
The presenter, a very highly educated art historian SHOULD have known how this image could be interpreted.
But in the end…it really wasn’t all about me and my ‘abnormal’ reaction. Nor should it be.
I’m always amazed when no good deed goes unpunished. Dove works to make an inclusive ad and, predictably, someone gets offended. I expect Dove learned a lesson* on this one but I doubt it’s the one the complainants imagined.
*insert a wry comment about making their ads even more vanilla.
As I said in my earlier post, this is the second time for Dove to be insensitive. Again, if they would’ve had some diversity in ththe decision making process this probably wouldn’t have happened.
When the “good deed” is damaging, the intent becomes irrelevant.
Normal should be medium. It’s a tone. Fair to medium. Medium to dark.
Dove should have ordered the girls differently. white, black, Asian.
No controversy. In this climate they should know better. Probably a lack of diversity on the creative team.
By all means, @dietz199, tell us how and when you were discriminated against for being pale? I remember riding on the Cottage Grove bus in Chicago and being the only white person on the bus. People were standing, but no one sat in the empty seat next to me. I suppose you could say that was discrimination, but it just felt weird, it didn’t damage me. Because it wasn’t a reaction I experienced from the majority of the population 365 days per year. (Also, it was because I was white, not “pale.”)
@BunsenBurner wrote - “Maybe the full ad did not look as horribly racist as the snippet.”
This is what I’ve been thinking. The optics of the snippet are offensive but, where I’m not seeing the entire ad, it leaves me wondering if the outrage might be overblown.
It sounds like the full add was similar to what I was thinking about back in this early post:
This from the Dove ad ‘victim’
Isn’t it just so frustrating when someone doesn’t realize they are a victim and even after those who know better point out the poor person’s victimhood, they STILL refuse to accept the obvious.
Geez.
^^ Nobody ever said she was a victim, just that the ad itself came across as racially insensitive.
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