Duke LAX case discussion continued.....;)

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I believe you have hit on it - “Plan 9 from 88”!</p>

<p>Seriously, though, I wonder if there will be some kind of faculty meeting with the administration to work out some of the differences of opinion and viewpoint amongst ourselves, and to rein in the hyperbole that now exists in all directions. 'til then, though, I suppose I will continue being one of the bloggerazzi.</p>

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<p>“If the racism is as pervasive as some assert …”</p>

<p>I don’t think it is. I think you would find that most students (white and black) do not think it is any more “racist” than any other college campus. They will see the scandal for what it is, a scandal. They will see the liberal professors for what they are too.</p>

<p>In fact, I think the recent admissions numbers will show that the scandal will not scare away the boys!! ;)</p>

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<p>In 2006 at least, Duke was 14 for “50 best colleges for Black students” according to [Black</a> Enterprise](<a href=“http://www.blackenterprise.com/ArchiveOpen.asp?Source=ArchiveTab/2006/09/0906-41.htm&p=1]Black”>http://www.blackenterprise.com/ArchiveOpen.asp?Source=ArchiveTab/2006/09/0906-41.htm&p=1), up from [16</a> in 2001](<a href=“http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0771723.html]16”>http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0771723.html), though down from 10 and 12 in 2004 and 2003, respectively. Locally, NCA&T is third, Wake Forest is 23rd, NCCU is 30th, UNC is 32nd, Davidson is 43rd.</p>

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<p>I guess I should be honest and admit that I was at Duke for four years in the late 70’s and found racism to be much less pervasive than at other institutions where I have worked.</p>

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<p>How much of the travesty do we blame on Gottlieb?</p>

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<p>Another really good article:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/190uejex.asp[/url]”>http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/013/190uejex.asp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Gottlieb is an idiot who thinks he is smarter than everyone else, a cartoon character.</p>

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<p>Oh boy…here we go again!</p>

<p><a href=“http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070124/ap_on_re_us/duke_lacrosse[/url]”>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070124/ap_on_re_us/duke_lacrosse&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>New complaints filed against Nifong!</p>

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<p>RALEIGH, N.C. - The state bar has added ethics charges to a complaint filed against the prosecutor who brought sexual assault charges against three Duke lacrosse players, accusing him of withholding DNA evidence and making misleading statements to the court.</p>

<p>The new charges by the North Carolina State Bar against Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong were announced Wednesday and could lead to his removal from the state bar, according to a copy of the updated complaint.</p>

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<p>You beat me by one minute. :)</p>

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<p>Although we were all pretty sure that this would be added to the ethics charges already filed against him, it was good to see that the State Bar has continued to make sure that the complaint includes everything that has come to light thus far. I’m assuming that they cannot add anything about the lineup procedures until Judge Smith rules on that in court (supposedly at the February 5 hearing–if they still have that now that the AG’s office is reviewing all of the files.)</p>

<p>Nifong should resign, and hopefully will be disbarred, if not held criminally responsible for obstructing justice.</p>

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<p>The amended NC Bar Complaint against Nifong is here:</p>

<p><a href=“Amended State Bar Complaint Against Nifong”>Amended State Bar Complaint Against Nifong;

<p>Items 182-291 detail the new charges about the withholding of exculpatory evidence and DNA results in the discovery files. They have pointed out that the captains of the team were fully cooperative with the police search and questioning at the police station. Do you suppose the 88 will bother to read this?</p>

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<p>Thanks for posting that link…</p>

<p>Nifong is going to go down in flames because of the last allegation (starting with paragraph 279) - that of lying to bar disciplinary committee. Suffice it to say that nothing gets up the ire of the disciplinary committee than lying to them – they might forgive an “error in judgment” in terms of statements to the court or to the media and be lenient, but when Nifong lied to the state bar investigators – well at that point he burned his bridges.</p>

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<p>When does the bar actually make a decision…does this sit for weeks, or can they be expected to respond with something in a matter of days, or… (???)</p>

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<p>calmom, you said it! There is a long list of white collar criminals doing or done time for the crime of lying about their alleged crime as opposed to the crime itself. Start with Martha Stewart, and go from there.</p>

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<p>“nothing gets up the ire of the disciplinary committee than lying to them”</p>

<p>That’s the truth. This will get you thrown out of a state bar before you know what happened to you. This is much, much worse in their eyes than gross incompetence.</p>

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<p>OOOO this is gonna get fun!! </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/535608.html[/url]”>http://www.newsobserver.com/1185/story/535608.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Ethics of Nifong’s detective at issue
Panel investigated, never charged him</p>

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<p>Does anyone else find it sad that the fact that the Duke lacrosse team had their first practice of the 2007 season yesterday was AP newsworthy? I googled “Duke Lacrosse”, and this story appeared in over 800 hits, in newspapers all over the country. The story even appeared in our local paper. (We live no where near North Carolina!)</p>

<p>All this continued attention because of a big fat lie…:eek:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8MTD4F81.html[/url]”>http://www.wcnc.com/sharedcontent/APStories/stories/D8MTD4F81.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>That’s what defense lawyer (and law professor) extraordinnaire Michael Tigar said the legal system should provide when it is working the way it should, in a panel discussion about this case the other day:</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/536271.html[/url]”>http://www.newsobserver.com/102/story/536271.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Speaking of which (and realizing that this whole case may still be far from over), in the half-empty/half-full department, there are a couple of different ways of looking at this episode:</p>

<p>–As an example of how badly things can go awry with our legal system.</p>

<p>–As an example of the system’s capacity, at least over time (and with a vigorous defense effort), to regain its balance.</p>

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“Regaining balance” after trashing so many lives provides little consolation to me. I think the former observation:

is more apt, though I would amend it to say that things didn’t go wrong with the “system” per se but with some very sick and disturbed (and vindictive) people with agendas WITHIN the systerm. The “system” may have done its job if the people running it were not criminally inclined. </p>

<p>~berurah</p>

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<p>vigorous = expensive</p>