<p>“Are these people even his loved ones?”</p>
<p>I would guess they are not truly his loved ones. You would not knowingly expose your loved ones like this. Even if you had to stay away for months.</p>
<p>Is it any better if he knowingly exposed casual acquaintances? He KNEW he was exposed to ebola and LIED about it to leave his country and put the lives of that woman and her children at risk. </p>
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<p>I do not think anyone is thinking Ebola is no big deal. However, in my book, too many people are thinking they know more about the disease than they do, and this includes the CDC.</p>
<p>One important fact in this whole Ebola story that should not be taken lightly is that symptomatic is a quantitative measure. </p>
<p>One can measure fever and see sweating and blood etc. However, it is still not known if these symptoms are CONCURRENT with the onset of the infectious stage or are visible some hours or even a couple days AFTER the onset of the infectious stage. This why the airlines are contacting fellow passengers. It is paramount not to think we know more than we do and better to err on the side of extreme caution. </p>
<p>Additionally, until more details about Ebola’s lifespan in fluids outside the body and actual modes of transmission (there could be more than one) are understood, then extreme caution is just plain safer.</p>
<p>It’s not better. It’s just not making much sense. The more I learn the more I go…Huh? But, generally I agree. </p>
<p>A relative of Duncan was interviewed on CNN this afternoon along with Duncan’s mother. The relative said he spook to Duncan and he says the whole story about his carrying the dying woman out of the house is false. Duncan says he was no where near that town at the time. So who knows what really happened here. It just is a shame that this found its way to our doorstep. </p>
<p>I suppose that if you are in a country being ravaged by a deadly epidemic the U.S. is an attractive place. Our borders are open to all and our medical system is advanced. If you think you might have an issue in the future it is a good place to be because treatment will not be denied.</p>
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<p>Read my post #416. 10% bleach is not a normal concentration and people washing clothes at home may not know that important difference. </p>
<p>That is why I suspect the CDC is not saying it because they know the average person would not use the proper concentration, thinking that simply normal bleach washing would work. It won’t, if it is too low. Nuking your clothes in bleach is not washing. So better off throwing them away. </p>
<p>“Is it any better if he knowingly exposed casual acquaintances? He KNEW he was exposed to ebola and LIED about it to leave his country and put the lives of that woman and her children at risk.”</p>
<p>That makes it even worse.</p>
<p>“A relative of Duncan was interviewed on CNN this afternoon along with Duncan’s mother. The relative said he spook to Duncan and he says the whole story about his carrying the dying woman out of the house is false. Duncan says he was no where near that town at the time.”</p>
<p>Call me a cynic, but I’d lay odds that he contracted it via seminal fluid. Anyone want to bet? Like I said, anyone who would knowingly expose their loved ones and children, (add to that casual acquaintances and random people), would be capable of doing anything.</p>
<p>Lol, Teri. Betcha he had a good laugh about that DNA stuff, too.</p>
<p>It does not matter what kind of bleach is used. The science part of your reasoning is wrong. Water molecules do not shield viruses - intoganic ions and radicals diffuse through water just fine. </p>
<p>The Ebola patient clothes were thrown out because of the concerns that the paranoids would make a stink! So the SOP seems to be to pour 10% bleach and throw everything away so there would be no cries from that camp.</p>
<p>BTW… Hospital linens are not disposable. They get washed, many times over. And they get soiled with stuff much sturdier than Ebola. C diff spores, for example. So anyone paranoid about linens should travel with his own bed sheets. 
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<p>The daughter was cleaning the apartment with Clorox.</p>
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<p>I give up. @BunsenBurner and @Nrdsb4, have at it. </p>
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<p>Actually, since this disease has been studied for decades, the actual modes of transmission are understood. But for some reason, nobody wants to believe the people who have studied it for decades.</p>
<p>If this disease was so easily spread as all the fear mongers would have us believe, the population of west Africa should be decimated by now…and it is most definitely not. I guess the facts are just not as interesting as hysteria…</p>
<p>LOL… cross-posted with Nrdsb4!</p>
<p>From cap’s link:</p>
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<p>HarvestMoon, treatment would not be denied in any developed country; the US is not unique in that. What’s missing in West Africa is systematic supportive care (a new phrase I’ve learned in the last month). In any developed country, the patient can be kept hydrated, electrolytes can be balanced, nausea and diarrhea can be controlled, breathing can be assisted, other infections can be treated. </p>
<p>Well, he didn’t go to London or someplace in Canada for some reason.and I imagine it had something to do with the recent ebola victims being cured on television. That was in the US. Also, I rewatched the CNN interview with the Phoenix fellow. I suspect he’s lying. Sorry.</p>
<p>^^^teriwtt, lol indeed.</p>
<p>Off to bed. I pray that there will be no more victims of this gruesome illness in my city. Given the close contact to this guy that has already occurred, I feel it is unrealistic to believe there won’t be a few more who will be infected. But I do hold out hope that will we contain it before it takes out too many people. I think we have all had a wake up call, and when the next person who was healthy when he boarded a plane falls ill and walks into ER, USA, the lessons learned here will had made a big impact.</p>
<p>Actually, 10% bleach is an overkill; laundering in hot water with ample soap without bleach will kill the virus. As I said, the paranoid public would not take that for an answer. House mattresses have porous surfaces and have to be thrown out - just because they become gross after someone barfs or poops on them, Ebola or not. </p>
<p>Read this:</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/ebola_marburg_fevers/information-travellers/Pages/information-travellers.aspx”>http://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/healthtopics/ebola_marburg_fevers/information-travellers/Pages/information-travellers.aspx</a></p>
<p>“Ebola virus is easily killed by soap, bleach, sunlight, and high temperature or drying. Machine washing clothes that have been contaminated with fluids will destroy Ebola virus. Ebola virus survives only a short time on surfaces that are in the sun or have dried. It can survive for a longer time on clothes or materials which have been stained with blood or other bodily fluids.”</p>
<p>We now know why the doctors who saw Duncan at his first ER visit didn’t get the word about his travel to Liberia:</p>
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<p>Great. No one thought that it might be important for doctors to see what the nurses recorded. </p>
<p>But this is just one instance of a very widespread problem:</p>
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<p>We can differ on how we assess the released information about the disease. But, this difference in viewpoint, is why there are doctors questioning to the CDC about its protocols. There are too many things, which do not add up. </p>
<p>For example, if symptomatic is the important step for being infectious, why is the news crew of the infected camera man being flown home in a separate plane already? They are showing zero symptoms, yet they are already being quarantined re their flight home, followed by another 21 days at home. </p>
<p>Why does this not apply to everyone else in the public who travels with people who show no symptoms? Same for the people who got in contact with the patient in Texas? They are quarantined showing zero symptoms, but the public is allowed to fly with people who might be infected who also show zero symptoms? This is idiocy.</p>
<p>This is the equivalent conversation that people had about HIV some 20 years ago. Everyone thought years ago that a vaccine was imminent. We thought we knew more than we did and took approaches that literally made no sense. And that was after 10 years of research and tracking transmission. Now, 30 years later, it turned out the binding sites, stopping transmission etc. are way more complicated than we initially thought they were.</p>
<p>Basically, I do not buy the science re Ebola based on such limited amount of information. I err on the side of caution. </p>
<p>You know, after the nurse records what my complaints are, I see the doctor. And I tell him or her every single thing I told the nurse, with a serious emphasis upon the things that I think are important. I don’t just answer a few questions and go away, assuming the nurse passed everything on. Only an idiot would do that.</p>
<p>And, then have a guy in Phoenix call the CDC and complain about the Dallas ER. Nope. No-one does that.</p>