Email from UCB admissions about Mar 27 decions?

[kyledavid80]

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Nope, Asian does not include the entire continent since middle eastern applicants are considered white.

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<p>Uh, what?</p>

<p>[Asia</a> - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“Asia - Wikipedia”>Asia - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>As far as I’ve known, even Middle Eastern students are considered Asians.</p>

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but reality is those students never get to see them because TA’s are the ones giving lectures.

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<p>What are you talking about? TAs lead the discussion sessions, not the lectures. And even then, Berkeley has over 2,000 professors. You don’t honestly think that students can’t get faculty attention, do you? Consider that professors have office hours and most students just don’t take advantage of them. And as you get into upper-div classes, you have even more professor contact. If you’re aggressive in your large classes, you can there too. As said 62% of Berkeley’s courses have fewer than 20 students, and only 14% are over 50. That’s the same as MIT’s.</p>

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The only time Berkeley students see this great faculty is the first day of class and on finals.

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<p>It’s obvious you know nothing about Berkeley…</p>

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On tuition, yeah USC is much more expensive but it’s known that California students, which is all Berkeley accepts, get much more aid for USC from financial aid and grants from USC. Therefore, students actually end up paying about the same if not less than they would for Berkeley.

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<p>Want to provide a source for that? Berkeley’s aid is excellent. It meets around 95% of need, about the same as USC’s. Proof that Berkeley’s aid is substantially better (and that students are generally better off, given their means, at Berkeley):</p>

<p>Average indebtedness at graduation:
Berkeley: $14,453
USC: $25,578</p>

<p>[College</a> Search - University of Southern California - USC - Cost & Financial Aid](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)
[College</a> Search - University of Southern California - USC - Cost & Financial Aid](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>

<p>So it appears that USC students, on average, graduate more than $10,000 more in debt than Berkeley grads. And this is despite the fact that Berkeley has far more low-income students than USC does (students who are costly to support). By the way, Berkeley’s average indebtedness at graduation is about the same as Yale’s.</p>

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On Berkeley being harder to get into, both schools are at about 23-25% acceptance rate.

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<p>Acceptance rate means nothing. It all depends on who’s applying. U Chicago for the longest had a near 40% acceptance rate, but it had SAT scores on par with top-15 privates. Why? Because the applicant pool was self-selective, and so only the students who were very qualified applied. When you have tons of unqualified students applying, then the acceptance rate goes down.</p>

<p>Berkeley’s acceptance rate this year, by the way, was 21% overall, 17% for OOS students.</p>

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Yeah the area right outside USC is pretty ghetto but 2 miles away you have Beverly Hills, Hollywood, beaches, museums, some of the best restaurants and clubs in the world, and the list goes on. Berkeley is known for its university not for the city.

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<p>Speak for yourself on that one. Not everyone likes LA.</p>

<p>By the way, the city of Berkeley is pretty well-known for having a thriving culture and tons of political activism since the 1960s. That you say that Berkeley is known for the university, not the city, really shows how much you know about Berkeley.</p>

<p>By the way, San Francisco is a BART hop away, so Berkeley students have easy access to that as well… not to mention Oakland and lots of other cities.</p>

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you forgot to mention were that Asians are extremely shy and don’t talk to anybody outside the Asian ring.

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<p>lol, your flagrant inability to understand that stereotypes don’t support your argument really does make me doubt the validity of all your claims. Honestly, it flabbergasts me that you’d even try to attempt such an argument.</p>

<p>That’s like me stereotyping typical Americans as God-fearing consumerist slobs who are nationalistic patriots, arrogant to the extreme, and ignorant of other cultures. Do you think that would characterize most white students? Nope. And you can’t stereotype Asians that way, either.</p>

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I don’t find diversity in looking at a group of Asians talking a language I can’t understand and eating a bowl of rice.

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<p>None of my Asian friends (and I have tons of them) speak in their language. They speak English. They are not shy. They do not form cliques. They are outgoing and very normal people.</p>

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believe it or not many students will find more diversity in knowing students from other states like Alabama, NY, CA, Texas, Ohio, and so on.

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<p>I’ve heard this argument countless times, and it still makes no sense. I go to a school that enrolls mostly non-Californians from all 50 states. Can I say that it has any significance whatsoever? No. I still have not found an instance where it matters at all. Or where it would even come up, except during orientation when nobody knows anyone and the typical conversation goes, “I’m <em>__, from </em>. Where are you from?”</p>

<p>Really, point out to me an example where being from another state would really change something about your college experience. Nobody has been able to explain this to me.</p>