Emergency Vet: Outrageous Charges

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Don’t know about animal insurance, but for most people insurance, if the provider participates with the insurance, they generally agree to accept less than their list price. So the calculation on what you would have paid versus with the insurance route versus fully out of pocket is a little more complicated. So if you’re insured, they may have agreed to accept a thousand bucks, but if they bill you directly, you may be on the hook for twice that. But then again, many offer self pay discounts for things like immediate payment etc.</p>

<p>my dog ate a hard cover book to the tune of 4k guess i wont be visiting my daughter in spain this year.</p>

<p>I think that the problem is that many people are confused over the purpose of insurance – and this is particularly true of the health insurance system for people-- with the system itself based on a confusing premise. </p>

<p>There are two kinds of health care needs. One is for routine preventive care, the other is for unanticipated expenses arising from serious illness or accident. Somewhere in between there are also ongoing costs for treatment of chronic health conditions, which may or many not be costly depending on the condition being treated. </p>

<p>Most people lump all of that together and I think that leads to the accounting problem: they want the dollars they pay for health care premiums to match up with the dollars that they pay for health care services over time.</p>

<p>But most middle income families don’t particularly need insurance for the routine stuff – any more than you would need to buy insurance to pay for routine car maintenance. In that respect, banking the money would be a better option. That is in fact what I do, because I happen to have a health savings/catastrophic health plan. </p>

<p>But the reason insurance is necessary is for the big, unanticipated, catastrophic stuff. And that is not something that should be evaluated in terms of “did I get my money’s worth” because by definition, you “win” when the events that you are insuring against never happen. For example, I certainly have never gotten much value of my homeowners insurance, and I have no intention of setting my house on fire in order to get my money’s worth on 20+ years of insurance premiums. </p>

<p>So the real question is how much risk are you willing to take, and what are you willing to pay for someone else to bear that risk instead? For pets it gets complicated because we don’t value pet life in the same way that we value human life. So there are many people who would simply feel that $1500 is too much to spend on an ill or injured pet, and when faced with that cost they will opt to put the animal down. I’m sure that is a very common situation in vet’s offices all of the time – again and again they must face the sad prospect of euthenizing an animal who could be treated, but at a high cost. </p>

<p>I personally don’t want to be in the position of having to make that choice. It was hard enough with my last dog to figure out the point at which it became a kindness to end the elderly dog’s suffering. I don’t want worry about $$ thrown into the mix. </p>

<p>One reason I have pet insurance now when I didn’t have it in the past is that I am financially in a somewhat stronger position. Because I have more money, it is not in any way a hardship for me to come up with less then $600 annually to insure two young dogs. That is far less than the cost I pay each year for boarding fees when I travel – and in fact, for me, the fact that I travel sporadically and board the dogs is one more reason to keep them insured. I know I can tell the dog caretaker that any vet fees are fully authorized and will be paid for, thus taking the burden off of her as well as myself. </p>

<p>I don’t know or care if I will break even financially, because part of what I am buying with insurance is peace of mind, and I can’t really put a price on that. Just like it is hard for me to know how much to value the lives of two mongrels who were picked up as strays before they came to me. I just know that one thing I don’t have to worry about right now in my life is high vet fees. Since I have plenty of other things to worry about, I’m glad that this happens to be one of those risks I can insure against at moderate cost.</p>

<p>Reviving this thread to make that $550 seem like peanuts. We just left our 13-year old Lab at a veterinary surgeon for removal of a large lipoma (fat deposit) on her chest (a very common issue with this breed). Estimated charges: between $3200 and $4100, depending on how the surgery goes. She has lived with this condition without being incapacitated by it for a couple of years, and we were hoping to avoid putting her through surgery, thinking that she would pass on from natural causes before it became necessary, but the lipoma grew so large the pressure caused an a skin wound that wouldn’t heal. The vet says she is pretty spry for her advanced age, and could live two more years after the surgery. (Let’s see, that’s $1500-$2000 per year…sigh.) H and I were chatting on the way home from the vet about how many fresh new Lab puppies we could get for that kind of money!</p>

<p>Here’s how removing a lipoma can compare with a horse. My daughter’s older pony had one that was under her leg and it grew large enough to rub and cause a wound. The vet came out, injected something to numb, slit the skin open and it popped out. She stapled the wound back together and was done in about an hour. Charged about $150.00. She did say she wouldn’t do that with every horse but this pony was a trooper and nothing fazed her.</p>

<p>Several years ago our border collie mix (since deceased) had bad hips. We could have opted for total hip replacement at a cost of several thousand dollars. We decided total dog replacement was a better option. He survived with bad hips but could not overcome nasal cancer, which he succumbed to within 6 weeks of diagnosis. </p>

<p>My sister is a vet. We have talked about the high cost of veterinary care. When faced with large vet bills, she really encourages her clients to think about it. For a pet that is a substitute child the cost may be reasonable. For a pet that is a pet, it may not be. Even in the same family, owners may be willing to foot the bill for one dog or cat but not another. She doesn’t judge. </p>

<p>She has completed 4 years of undergrad plus 4 years of vet school. Veterinary training is not much cheaper than medical school. Equipment costs are comparable. Healing is an expensive business, be it human or animal.</p>

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<p>Made me laugh outloud. Poor puppy.</p>

<p>My older dog who was very sick a month ago with liver problem is completely fine now! She had her blood tested on Monday ($162) and liver enzymes were 100% normal. Cost of this illness just under $1000. I’m very glad I didn’t rush to get cat scan, liver biopsy or extended weekend stay at ER vet the first weekend and we waited to see if the cheapest treatment would work.</p>

<p>These look like expensive pets…
<a href=“http://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-cover-stories/they-ate-what-2011-x-ray-contest-winners.aspx?cm_mmc=4996256[/url]”>http://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/vet-cover-stories/they-ate-what-2011-x-ray-contest-winners.aspx?cm_mmc=4996256&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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makes me wonder how many objects are in my pooches’ tummy that I am not aware of…
YIKES</p>

<p>Didn’t read the entire thread, but our rabbit was bleeding from the mouth in June on a Sunday AM, so we took him to the emergency vet to the tune of $440. Xrays and exam didn’t show anything - she was suspecting pneumonia, which was ruled out by the xray. Next day he went to his regular vet and she determined he bit his tongue quite badly. (She didn’t charge for that visit, since she had referred us to the emergency vet).</p>

<p>PS - my daughter wants to be a vet and they surprisingly are not highly paid.</p>

<p>We have a neighbor who is a vet pathologist. She has to be a mortgage broker on the side. Her H is a pediatric infectious disease specialist. They just moved to a house in a $1M+ neighborhood, so they must be doing much better than many of us. They are renting out their “old” house–the one in our block, to an architect while he’s building his new house in their new neighborhood.</p>

<p>My friend has about 17 rescue cats. She lives alone with them and has to have 1.5 jobs to support herself and their numerous vet bills.</p>

<p>Typical rule of thumb is you can afford a mortgage 2-3x your annual salary, so 2 medical professional could easily swing a $1 million mortgage. (say $100k for her, $250k for him). The issue would be how much the downpayment is.</p>

<p>Properties in that neighborhood START at $1M; many are several times more. It is some serious $$. Many also send their kids to private school with tuitions (the doc & vet have 4 or 5 kids–the oldest in HS & youngest in pre-school or perhaps just entering grade school). The architect just married a stay-at-home wife who watches their 2 dogs & cat (her former job was at a nail salon). Yes, I know some folks do make piles of money–they would have to to make a significant down payment and buy properties of 7+ figures.</p>

<p>Our dog was hit by a car 2.5 years ago – freaked out in a rain storm and went through the invisible fence (which she had never done before or since). Multiple rib fractures, temporarily blind, pneumothorax, small skull fracture, multiple cuts on legs and head. The med report was truly frightening. Amazingly, no other internal injuries. She spent four days sedated in an oxygen crate, then I took her home to do 24/7 nursing duty for a good month as she healed. (She was stoned on codeine much of that time.) </p>

<p>Should have had a college fund for her, too. We had a budget that we were willing to spend to save her, but when the vet started talking about the possibility of putting her on a respirator, told us it was $1,000/day, and when I pushed, she said only 15% of dogs ever came off of it successfully, we drew the line. If K got to that point, she was clearly suffering and we would let her go in peace.</p>

<p>We had a happy ending; she has a tiny bit of residual nerve loss in her face and I can see a little slippage when she walks, but she runs around as fast as she ever did, and 99% of people who see her would never know she had been so seriously injured.</p>