@bud123 Emory is underachieving (actually hardly as I’ll explain briefly) versus the USNWR rankings and basically nothing else (a 2.2 GPA really…we still using input metrics to make stupid analogies? Output is what matters and explains how the school can have a more powerful alumni network and loyalty than schools ranked higher), so there really is nothing to complain about. No one at Georgetown complains…It is about impact. Also, Emory has no chance at being like higher than 15 even if it did like WUSTL and Vanderbilt with recruiting tactics…WTH are you talking about? Emory isn’t particularly underachieving and is actually overachieving considering it joined the AAU in 1995. Emory and Rice/Vanderbilt should have never been in the same tier this quickly just based upon that fact. Emory wasn’t relevant until like the 2000s and is already doing EXTREMELY well. The fact is, it should have never been but so high. Now it will have to follow the “correct” path to success and make its programs even better, market that, and then reap the benefits.
The “rush to top rankings” thing didn’t work (WTF Emory tried it, I don’t know, but it stemmed the SAT cheating). More paced and meaningful growth is more worthwhile. Better to gain a reputation that makes folks ask “why isn’t it ranked higher?” than to be constantly questioned about ones perhaps inflate high position and then only be able to point to freshman quality and other aspects of the school that are actually not particularly unique.
- Not true. Emory/WUSTL/even Vandy is richer than and of similar wealth to Cornell, Dartmouth, and Brown. And those 3 are not that prestigious.....2 of them are kind of small though. One could claim that their positioning is analogous to the sort of calibration one sees in MBA and law school rankings.
- Uhmmmmm.....They are already at the top so it does not matter if they have subtle movements as they have. 3.Duke has been top 10 since the 80s. If you're going to make nuanced sense (rarely happens), move it to category 2. WUSTL has plateaued despite its gaming. Vandy will experience the same if it isn't careful as it is following the same formula. NDU and Rice are relatively stagnant as well (though Rice is actually quite a bit stronger overall in terms of impact. Again, Vanderbilt, Rice, WUSTL, and Emory usually are near or comparable to each other in various global rankings, NDU.....can't say the same unfortunately...sometimes can't really even say the same of GTown). There is no evidence that they are moving much relative to other schools. The only reason WUSTL and Vanderbilt did is because of the SAT cherrypicking but it doesn't really matter because many schools below it on the UG USNWR outperform or are on par with them in other important rankings both in and outside of USNWR.
- JHU has NEVER had trouble recruiting faculty. I have no idea why people continue to crap on this school with no evidence. JHU has always been doing really well (especially academically) and now its SAT's are in parity with the Duke, Penn, Stanford, that class of schools (where the 25% hasn't hit 1400 yet). Also USNWR seems to have no problem with them.....stop the lies please. 5.What at least mildly relevant school outside of the top 20 isn't? Those 2 may deserve it (though I honestly find CMU's undergraduate programs more superlative than many of the schools it is competing with above and below it. Let's not talk about its STEM reputation.....wow!). The triviality of it all!
Without historical context and a more nuanced picture, this conversation is worthless. Emory and most schools ranked between like 15 and 25 still have quite a bit of work to do. I would say that Berkeley and Brown are so distinctive in their various ways that their UG ranking, which is already strong, is actually drowned out by either their overall reputation and influence (Berkeley) or unique UG environment (kind of both, but Brown’s is more notorized, kind of like Chicago or Columbia). I’m sure they desire higher ranks, but they aren’t in a position to constantly worry about it or feel pressure to increase it quickly. They simply “do them” and try to do good and not merely look good. Some places were trying way to hard to look good that they forgot the other part. Emory became one of those places for quite a while and still kind of does it today, but it doesn’t seem as bad and there appears to be an attempt to take other things much more seriously.