Environmental Sciences/Studies colleges

Bates really good. And Mac pretty good.

I suspect yes at both.

Of course the student is a junior and can work to raise the math score.

While I can’t speak to the schools, I agree that making a list is easy but you’ll likely elicit different responses/comfort level, even in the same area.

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If Dartmouth is too big a lot of those will be WAY too big (UVM, UW, Cornell, Duke) I assumed it wasn’t on there as it was too greek. It really matches everything else on the list very well.

Congratulations to your D on her scores! Based on her current profile, this is how I would categorize her list. For admissions rates, I used this aggregator, and also used some of Dataverse’s other sources on percentage of students submitting tests, etc.

I tend to be more conservative in my chancing, and generally for any school with an acceptance rate below 20%, I will put in the low probability category, unless there is a pretty compelling reason for me to do otherwise.

Extremely Likely (80-99+%)

  • U. of Oregon (86%)

  • Willamette (72%)

Likely (60-79%)

  • Lewis & Clark (59% non-ED)

  • U. of Vermont (46%)

Toss-Up (40-59%)

  • Bates ED (48% ED acceptance)

  • Clark (39% outside of ED)

  • Macalester ED (53% ED acceptance)

  • Mount Holyoke (38% outside of ED)

Lower Probability (20-39%)

  • Macalester RD (19% outside of ED)

  • Scripps (27% outside of ED)

Low Probability (less than 20%)

  • Bates RD (14% outside of ED)

  • Bowdoin (7% outside of ED)

  • Carleton (16% close to next category up)

  • Colby (8% outside of ED)

  • Pitzer (16% outside of ED and it’s test blind, but leaning towards lower probability)

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Thank you for the detailed response!

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D25 got a 36 on the ACT!
36 composite: 35 math, 36 science, 36 English, 35 reading

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Congratulations to your D!

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Is it worth exploring and/or visiting Amherst, Brown, or Yale?

So far she really liked Macalester and liked Carleton. St Olaf was fine but she doesn’t know if she wants to apply. She hated Wisconsin and didn’t like Penn. If it wasn’t all girls and was more known for environmental science I think she would have liked Bryn Mawr. Wash U was okay, but she won’t stay in Missouri.

She says she wants study abroad, internships, ability to do research as a freshman, and not a million degrees out. :roll_eyes: She doesn’t love trimesters or 4-1-4. She likes the idea of a thesis or capstone. So like 75% of schools. lol Needs to be LGBTQ friendly.

Any of those schools would be worth a look. You’re less likely to be able to do research as a freshman at Brown or Yale – LACs are better for that, because undergrads don’t have to compete with grad students, and there will be more small classes right away. She might like Brown more than Yale – more undergrad-oriented, a little quirkier.

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Thanks. Is Amherst quirky at all?

I don’t know a whole lot about the vibe at Amherst – we never looked at it (I don’t know why – limiting the number of super-selective schools? Husband went to Williams? Honestly I don’t know.). Back when I was growing up, it had a very preppy reputation, but I don’t know if that’s still the case.

D21 and I toured Amherst in winter 2020, and did not find it quirky at all. Diverse racially and socio-economically but the impression we got was academically rigorous, a “New-Englandy” mix of athletes and a bit preppy (we are from the PNW so this was noticeable) and definitely not quirky.

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So more like how I picture Colby?

Maybe visiting Brown would be good to see the difference between quirky university and LAC?

We visited Brown on that trip too, but not Colby so I can’t speak to that. My D24 loved Brown, but it didn’t seem particularly quirky to us. Students seemed polished, sophisticated, cool and hip maybe. At the most selective schools, the quirk factor is pretty low, at least from what I’ve observed (I’m a parent of 2 LGBTQ kids, D24 headed to an LAC in the fall, and D21 who is a junior at Stanford, also not a particularly quirky place, although I will say you’ll see all types of kids at most of these types of schools). edited to add: when I think quirky - Reed, Lewis and Clark, Pitzer, Grinnell, Mt. Holyoke

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If you’re looking for quirky, check out Bard. Environmental studies is a concentration rather than a major. The campus is sprawling and naturally beautiful. Very intentional academic approach. Super LGBTQ friendly.

Wesleyan and Vassar might be good bets too.

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Amherst has some quirky kids, but my impression is that they’re the kind of quirky that love to work … more serious than Colby, I think, and a fair bit more diverse. Had my daughter been at Oberlin (her final two were O and A) I think she would’ve been part of the famous quirk there - at Amherst, she has a wonderful and supportive friend group that she really vibes with, so she feels like she found “her people,” but I don’t think they would fit quirky? Free-thinking, love to talk late into the night about all sorts of things, laugh a lot, go to concerts together … they feel free to be who they want to be.

But a noticeably different vibe than Oberlin, Vassar, Reed, etc. - though those schools also are famous for having some real academic depth as well.

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I forget the original list and budget - why does she like Mac? Are you looking to leverage merit ?

Has she thought of Occidental or Rhodes. Or as an off the wall Trinity in San Antonio ?

I forget all the parameters.

I think she’d probably like Oberlin but state laws make me nervous. I think she likes the vibe of Macalester, Bates, and maybe Pitzer. She does enjoy Lewis and Clark’s Instagram too. lol

No budget. Merit is added bonus. Prefers blue states and not hot.

She likes that they mentioned internships are easy in the city, their second campus for ES, and that they’ll bail you out of jail for protesting. lol It’s is also supposedly 40% LGBTQ

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A school getting you thrown in jail….great :slight_smile:

I would get outcomes from each school.

It’s easy for them to say but find out what these kids are doing.

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Yeah, she keeps commenting on schools being known for activism but she’s not really an activist. :woman_shrugging: