"every year is worse than the previous year" in Baghdad

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<p>What makes you so sure that the woman was an “innocent”? Do you suppose she was the housekeeper who was just changing the sheets at the time?</p>

<p>“If we don’t aknowledge in war that innocent people are killed, and track that, and only count Americans, what does that make us?” </p>

<p>Precisely - that is why those who would be willing to let Iraq devolve into civil war with tens of thousands killed just as long as American soldiers are out of there are extremely callous. This is the same mentality that exists among Vietnam protesters today who pat themselves on the back for getting the US out - only to end up with hundreds of thousands of civilians slaughtered by the North Vietnamese. Good job!</p>

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<p>Yet, we don’t even TALK about all the people we have killed, to acknowledge that would be a step forward And remember, during Vietnam, the troops were lied to, the public was lied to, the generals faked numbers, all kinds of just swell things</p>

<p>Your memory of history is interesting, you never remember when Americans did some pretty bad stuff, but hey, rose colored glasses and all that</p>

<p>And isn’t it great how well we treat all those Vietnam vets now, how our government is taking care of them…</p>

<p>Yeah, and her baby was a terrorist</p>

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<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.shinesforall.com/archives/2006/06/zarqawi_spinnin.html]This[/url”>http://www.shinesforall.com/archives/2006/06/zarqawi_spinnin.html]This[/url</a>] is amusing, and sounds so familiar.</p>

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<p>“And remember, during Vietnam, the troops were lied to, the public was lied to, the generals faked numbers, all kinds of just swell things”</p>

<p>Yup, so the best response to all that is to let thousands of innocent people get slaughtered. But at least Johnny came marching home. Sounds fair.</p>

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<p>CGM,</p>

<p>You are all over the place and, for the most part, incoherent on the issue at hand. </p>

<p>Zarqawi is dead. </p>

<p>This is a fact celebrated by good people in Iraq, the United States and around the world–well, <em>most good people</em>; clearly, for some, this news could have hardly come at a worse time, if any time at all.
FWIW, my family lived through war in the Middle East. I was raised with stories of planes overhead, missiles screeching across the skyline, bombing, torture and those gone missing–family and friends, both. I’m not sure your leisurely arm chair pontifications will add anything to my, or anyone else’s, knowledge of the “death of innocents" though you certainly seem to believe that you feel <em>their</em> pain.</p>

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<p>He is dead, and the mess there now, much of it is of OUR MAKING…</p>

<p>I understand the importance of going to WAR…so FS, you sign up yet you are the right age, they would take you in a heart beat if you believe so much in that battle…go over there…fight…</p>

<p>Do not talk to me about how I am clueless…we have created a HUGE mess, it is getting MORE dangerous everyday for everyone over there, citizens, our soilders, because OUR government has no clue what they are doing…</p>

<p>We have killed one person, that is great, but more are behind him, and with any battle, it doesn’t stop with the death of one person, often it insights more anger</p>

<p>So to be alll cheery, when lives are still be destroyed, is very shortsighted…</p>

<p>Even Rumsfield, Bush, and the rest agree…this is good, but by no means anywhere near the end</p>

<p>You talk about leisurely armchari, you are one to talk, you support this war, and yet do nothing…if you like it go…go enlist, go fight the battle you feel is so necessary, go into that quagmire</p>

<p>If we had gone into this war, if it was so necessary, we would have done it like hte generals had wanted, but instead, we went in thinking it would be easy, and quick, and that there would be no civil war, without a clue as to the different factions and how they would react and fight, and we would have guarded the borders, and we would have supported our troops with the right food, armor etc</p>

<p>So again, go over theirm unless you are an armchair pontificator yourself</p>

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<p>It is bad if the americans intentionally target civilians. CGM - you’ve got to understand the rules of war.</p>

<p>Zarqawi was a coward to have innocent civilians around him. He knew he was a target. We don’t put innocents in our tanks.</p>

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<p>Just in case anyone seriously thinks this will be the end of the endless bloodbath in Iraq, I shall harken us back to the days of all the other “last throes” we have had since 2003.</p>

<p>Killing this dude is but a little blip in the radar. $25M…for what? There are probably ten more Zarquawis in training already…as we speak.</p>

<p>Remember, we are creating terrorists faster than we can kill 'em. Thanks and God Bless America.</p>

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<p>CGM,</p>

<p>You’ll need to direct me to the thread/post wherein I said I was for the war…let me save you the time–there isn’t one.</p>

<p>I have, however, hoped for the best–unlike some. I don’t know everything, and, being somewhat fond of our way of life, I will, from time to time, give the benefit of the doubt to our elected representatives. I do not hope for failure, either domestically or in foreign policy and I am heartened by any progress on either front.
This was progress.</p>

<p>I have written— somewhat obliquely, though publicly-- on the subject here:
<a href=“http://www.dartreview.com/archives/2006/05/18/honestly_who_are_these_people.php[/url]”>http://www.dartreview.com/archives/2006/05/18/honestly_who_are_these_people.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Nobody is claiming that this is the end. There are some on this thread that seem to be absolutely childlike about their understanding about how wars are fought, why they are fought, the dangers of terrorism, and why we had to go to war with Iraq. They also seem to forget that Saddam wanted to get revenge against the US for the earlier Gulf War when we helped push Iraq out of Kuwait (which Iraq had invaded without provocation). </p>

<p>They forget that the first Gulf War didn’t really end because as it still existed as long as Saddam didn’t follow the agreements that he made when there was a cease fire. In other words, there was just a “truce” (a cease fire) which could legitimately end at any point that it was determined that Saddam wasn’t keeping his end of the agreement. That is what happened. Saddam didn’t follow the agreement, so the “truce” ended. That is why this war is legitimate. </p>

<p>Those who don’t understand this war on terrorism also seem to forget about the many, many terrorist attacks on this country’s military installations, embassies, the Cole, etc, before we had experienced BEFORE 9/11. </p>

<p>Many liberals prove everyday why they cannot be trusted to be in the Executive office. They love military failures, they hate military victories, they prefer that all/most of military spending go to entitlement spending – they really just don’t love the US.</p>

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<p>Well, for a party who supposedly hates the military, we sure use them a lot. Which party was in the White House when we got into World Wars I and II, Korea, Vietnam and Bosnia?</p>

<p>But I don’t think any of those guys had the audacity to play dress-up and prance around on an aircraft carrer for the TV cameras in front of a big sign which read “Mission Accomplished” when there was still a lot of work to do. That was shameless.</p>

<p>Or questioned the validity of the medals given in the line of duty just becasue the man was a political opponent. That was shameless.</p>

<p>The GOP has control of the WH and Congress, for 5 years, where’s the military spending needed to properly euqip the troops who are in the line of fire? </p>

<p>Do you think maybe the tax cuts could be put off for a couple of years to fund the war effort? No, God forbid. It’s OK for the servicepeople to make the sacrifices but not anybody at home certainly not among the donor base.</p>

<p>Don’t wrap yourself up in the Flag; it may not always be a good fit.</p>

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<p>The tax cuts resulted in hundreds of millions of dollars in additional revenue for the U.S. Treasury as Laffer said it would. Thank God for tax cuts. Economic activity has increased and revenue to the federal government has increased dramatically. </p>

<p>Enjoy.</p>

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<p>Great, so how about some more armor for our soldiers and tanks? They could use it.</p>

<p>Is it Laffer or Laffler? I see people spell it both ways.</p>

<p>Hundreds of millions won’t cover the hundreds of billions spent on Iraq.</p>

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<p>Absolutely, Browninfall. In fact, if we would just cut taxes to zero the streets would be paved with gold and champagne would flow from the taps - for free!! Becauseyou can never cut taxes too much. Taxes are always too high. There’s no limit. Borrowing money and leaving our children saddled with the debt is the bestest thing we can do for them. They should thank us! In fact, the tax cuts are why our national debt has gone down!![/sarcasm]</p>

<p>Jlauer:

No, everyone knows we went to war in Iraq because they had huge stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction which could be deployed on a moments notice, and were buying Uranium in Africa for their nuclear weapons program. [/sarcasm redux]

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<p>JLaure, I am a liberal. I hate our military failures, ofr the loss of brave American servicemen and women, and the damage it does to our nation internally and overseas. I fully supported and cheered our military victories in the Gulf War - like pretty much everyone else in the world. I love the US. You don’t know diddly about what me or any of the liberals I know want, love or hate. And I have nothing but contempt for anyone who has to stoop to wrapping themself in the flag to justify their support of disastrous political and strategic blunders which starkly demonstrate the collosal arrogance and incompetence of the current Administration. [No sarcasm. At all.]</p>

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<p>God to Zarqawi:</p>

<p>Here are your 17 demons in hell - Enjoy</p>

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<p>Good point. I misspoke… it was billlions, not millions that were generated from lowering the tax rates. Since more dollars to the federal government make some people here giddy, what exactly are you unhappy about?</p>

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<p>Browninfall, just how do you calculate the amount of revenue was “generated from the tax cut” as opposed to everything else in the global economy? Or do you just give credit for every positive economic development to the tax cuts? If so, are the tax cuts responsible for $3 a gallon gas? The current stock market swoon? Rising interest rates? The healthiest economic periods in recent history occurred with higher tax rates than we have now. Explanation?</p>

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<p>kluge</p>

<p>What’s your point? </p>

<p>Tax rates were cut and revenue to the federal government went up. You want more dollars to the federal government, you got it.</p>

<p>Celebrate.</p>

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<p>In the 80’s tax rates were higher, and revenues went up. What’s your point? Did no one ever explain “correlation is not causation” to you?</p>

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<p>I envy being able to do that. I’ve been made to believe that government is the greatest evil by reading too much American political theory. :p</p>