<p>Acaden, a claim like that about outsourcing requires some hard evidence to be believable.</p>
<p>Ask a Big 4 federal tax staff or senior whether they think 50%+ of staff level hours will be gone overseas within the next few years. </p>
<p>They may say yes, or they may say no, but no one will dismiss it out of hand. That should tell you all you need to know about where the firms are going with this.</p>
<p>Hearsay is not sufficient evidence. If it was, I’d probably be mormon.</p>
<p>There is outsourcing, but it only to a certain extent (Tying out/footing financial statements). The more technical aspects of tax and audit will never be fully outsourced.</p>
<p>Last I checked the definition of hearsay was someone without firsthand experience. I’ve worked for 2 of the Big 4.</p>
<p>"The more technical aspects of tax and audit will never be fully outsourced. "</p>
<p>Yeah, if by more technical aspects you mean the stuff the attorneys or managers do. Any and all staff level compliance work is fair game.</p>
<p>Dawgie, didn’t you work for DT? You should know better. Go talk to someone from LTS.</p>
<p>I am just curious to what the general population thinks in terms of my possibilities of getting a job in public accounting.<br>
I have a GPA of 2.985 and I have work experience in tax and bookkeeping.
How much will my GPA play a role and will it be a considering factor?<br>
Thanks!</p>
<p>Haven’t posted in a while, but son just got job offer from big 4 in audit - woohoo! Now, he just has to finish up MPA. Good to know he’ll be employed! (guess they’re not outsourcing quite yet :))</p>
<p>golfball, you will not be able to get a job at the Big 4 with that GPA. </p>
<p>GPA is the most important aspect in accounting recruitment. Without sounding too harsh, you are going to have trouble finding employment with under a 3.0.</p>
<p>Golfball, are you that stupid?</p>
<p>Seriously, round the GPA up.</p>
<p>I was told by my career center that I can’t “round” my gpa.</p>
<p>Unless they screen your resume, you need to round it to a 3.0 or you are not going to get interviews. Even at a 3.0, you will have a hard time.</p>
<p>I don’t even put my GPA on my resume but I do have experience in bookkeeping and tax work.</p>
<p>If you are coming right out of undergrad and are looking at going into accounting and finance, recruiters are going to want to know your GPA. It is as simple as that. </p>
<p>If you don’t have it on there, they are only going to assume the worst.</p>
<p>Hello all, it’s cool to see such a long/detailed discussion about accounting:</p>
<p>I am a junior going through the on-campus recruiting process right now. I went to my career fair and submitted resumes for EY, Deloitte, and PwC’s summer leadership program. I was denied by PwC and Deloitte for an interview and earned one with Ernst and Young - which I went to on Wednesday.</p>
<p>I am a very good student and I have had a 4.0 over my previous three semesters and can say without reservation that I will have top marks through to graduation. However, I also have a secret. I failed out of school in 2005-2006 and did poorly at another college.</p>
<p>My resume says that I have a 3.51 Institution GPA, which is true. I never lied. I was able to do grade forgiveness with most of my simple classes. My major GPA with classes including: Financial Accounting, Managerial Accounting, Statistics, Calculus, Microeconomics etc is a 4.0. I’m also a Supplemental Instructor of statistics.</p>
<p>However, if I get this thing (and I’m really hoping I will), they’re going to eventually ask for my transcript. The anxiety of having them look at it is overwhelming. Even if I didn’t lie and they can’t “back out now” so to speak - they can still make a future note of it and blackball me for the future. I’m really really nervous about my future with EY.</p>
<p>I also have a few questions about the Summer Leadership Programs. If anyone knows I’d greatly appreciate it:</p>
<p>1) Do a lot of people that make interviews end up making the final cut? My logic is this - rarely will someone turn down the offer to go because they do not interfere with each other. Thus, I wouldn’t think they’d need to interview a large pool. I interviewed pretty well so of course I’m overanalyzing the “what are my chances” game</p>
<p>2) Do you think they will care? Honestly. I hope I at least have some recourse to explain myself. I built myself from the ground up and it would actually have made great stories for the interview, but I’m sure you can all empathize with my decision to conceal for now.</p>
<p>Nice meeting you all!</p>
<p>You’re over thinking. Is the GPA on your resume consistent with the way your school calculates GPA? If yes, no one cares about the details.</p>
<p>Yes, that is my official institution GPA that they have calculated. But it’s not my overall GPA. The grades from both schools are calculated for my Associate of Arts final GPA.</p>
<p>I did write “3.51 Institution GPA” on my resume - so no I did not lie.</p>
<p>Hey I was wondering if someone could weigh in on my situation. I graduated HS in '09, went to a top 20 private U and did engineering. Didn’t really have the heart and focus for it though, jerked around and left after 1st year with a ~2.0 GPA. Since then I have been taking classes at the local CC to get my GPA back up and transfer into another school with undergrad accounting (my private u didn’t have accounting) I was thinking TCNJ or RU. However rutgers doesn’t accept spring transfers for the business school. I wasn’t really trying to stay in NJ and found reading this thread that recruiting was regional. I eventually would like to work in San Fransisco…would it be advantageous to head out there to finish the last 2 years of my undergrad?</p>
<p>Ok, here’s the deal on recruiting to a different office. This is Big 4 specific. Some mid-tiers don’t fly campus recruits for interviews, period.</p>
<p>If you tell the firm you want to work for an office other than the office which recruits at your school, you will either - </p>
<p>a) do the first round interview at the local office, or
b) do the first round interview over the phone with the destination office</p>
<p>In the first case, you’re at a disadvantage because you’re just being interviewed as a favor to the other office. In the second, it’s harder to make a connection with the interviewer over the phone.</p>
<p>But, that’s not the only problem. The firm will fly you round trip and put you up at a decent hotel for the second interview at the destination office. You might think you could offer to travel yourself, but it just doesn’t work that way. If you are offered the second interview, it will be because the firm has committed to that extra expense.</p>
<p>Bottom line - if you’re a strong candidate and the economy is doing well, this could work. If not, don’t count on anything.</p>
<p>I’ve done the “other office thing” for both Big 4 and for a mid-level firm.</p>
<p>The mid-level firm was the oddest recruitment I experienced. One video interview with a partner and I was given an offer. No other contact. Interview went well and at that point I had multiple Big 4 offers (he asked if I did). I can only imagine that his thinking was, “I’ve talked to to kid and multiple B4 firms have done their entire process and given an offer…so I think he passes the test; lets offer.” I was still shocked I didn’t need to do another round of interviews or at least visit the office.</p>
<p>I was flown to another city for a B4 interview. I guess I technically had a “phone interview” first but if it was, then it was extremely laid back. I had a ton in common with the person that called and we just talked for about half an hour until he said that the firms recruiter would contact me to set up the flight info. I flew out a few days later and had an offer by the end of the week. </p>
<p>Looking back, these two examples are very rare, especially in this economy. The B4 people I met through this were my favorite office, but the job just didn’t match exactly with my aspirations, otherwise I would have taken it.</p>
<p>One thing is for sure: Once you have a couple of B4 offers under your belt, it automatically changes a recruiters opinion of you. And, this isn’t just for accounting firms, I had investment banks recruit me after B4 offers and their reactions were noticeable once they realized I already had other opportunities with premier firms.</p>
<p>The same works for the B4 though. I had an offer in another industry from a previous internship and it definitely helped me out when they asked about other offers or interviews. </p>
<p>I always treaded lightly around the “where do you have offers” question since the last thing I wanted was to sound pompous, but at the same time I made sure I was honest.</p>
<p>I hope this recent experience helps some of you understand the process. I was very grateful for the process and I am somewhat shocked at the opportunities given to me. </p>
<p>All I can say is that if you develop yourself during your 4-5 years, opportunities will exist for you!</p>
<p>goose I really appreciate the insight into the process that you always give. Even though I’m far from that stage, its nice to have somewhat of an idea of what it’ll be like!</p>