Facts about different ethnicities !!!

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<p>Newjack88:</p>

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That is true but you are ignoring the fact that taking a higher level math course will put you at an advantage.

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<p>It will in that you’ve had more experience, but not in that it gives you more knowledge for the SAT.</p>

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Also, I would like to point out that at higher institutions AA does not help URMs get in nearly as much at state schools.

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<p>We acknowledged this a while ago in the thread.</p>

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This is true at many junior colleges and some state schools, but false at top institutions.

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<p>You seem to be implying that schools like Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, UVA, UNC, etc. are not “top institutions.”</p>

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t’s been shown that the better the school, the better the graduation rate for all races.

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<p>So you’re saying that, say, Duke is better than Chicago because its graduation rate is higher? (I only point out these two because the difference in graduation rate is incremental – as it is between top privates and top publics.)</p>

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Another thing that has been frequently mentioned is that AA should be practiced only in regards to socio-economics. This though is an uninformed view due to that fact that, regardless of a person’s class, he or she will still be discriminated against.

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<p>I think the idea is that the poor person did as well as the rich person, despite severe adversity, so the former should get a boost. Makes sense to me.</p>

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Wow… I think that most people would agree that we have started to make progress in race relations due to the abolishment of segregation

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<p>I never said we hadn’t.</p>

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Anyways, you are missing the point of having a diverse class.

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<p>No, I don’t think I am. I see the “ethnically diverse class” as a PR tactic; I see the “culturally diverse class” or “socioeconomically diverse class” as truly worthwhile. The latter engenders the former.</p>

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The most significant effect of a diverse class is seen in the discussion based classes since more views would be expressed. People would become exposed to more new ideas.

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<p>What are these new ideas you speak of? Is a middle-class Mexican going to have a drastically different viewpoint on Kant than a middle-class white person? Pray tell what significant addition is made to a classroom by having different ethnicities.</p>

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I have witnessed this on the high school level at a diversity seminar called Our Town and can reasonably expect this to happen on the college level.

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<p>Anecdotal evidence, again, doesn’t prove much.</p>

<p>Again, it’s the culture. And frankly, many of the URMs admitted to Stanford (not to mention most colleges) are not as socioeconomically disadvantaged as some might think–or hope. The ethnicity really serves two purposes: for PR and for students to be exposed to other ethnicities, thus growing more accustomed to diversity. But other than, ethnicity doesn’t play a major role on the campus.</p>

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how can you assert that “cliques form” without actually having attended college yet?

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<p>Er, I can see it. Not to mention students acknowledge that cliques form. Cliques form at schools. Cliques form at colleges. Cliques form at jobs. It’s inevitable.</p>

<p>Of course, this isn’t to say that there isn’t some mixing. But there isn’t as much as people would like to think.</p>

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This is the same for legacies, musicians, athletes, etc.

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<p>Nobody said these were very justified, either, though that’s a matter for another thread. (Also, notice that discrimination on the above factors isn’t a matter on the national agenda, nor has it ever been there. I wonder why.)</p>

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“■■■■■■■■” just means to surf the web

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<p>Er, no. To ■■■■■ is to look for instances where you can say something outrageous in order to get a rise out of people, simply for fun. I don’t see such in bob99975’s posts.</p>

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<p>I think this part can be applied here:</p>

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“■■■■■” is also used in a broader pejorative sense to question the good faith of any Internet user who has annoyed the person using the term.

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that even high income Africans/African-Americans and Latinos are still severely held back by these stereotypes.

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<p>I really doubt that it can be deemed “severely,” though this is delving a bit too far into the efficacy of equality laws, far beyond the scope of this discussion.</p>

<p>Tyler09:</p>

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out of his most recent 40 posts 30 of them center around AA, which conveniently is the same as the 60 that jmoney predicted.

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<p>As I said before: bob99975 has been a member since April of 2006, and the AA topics only popped up very recently, so you can expect there to be more recent posts on AA from him. Why this is truly an issue, I don’t know.</p>