<p>ok if im applying to a school that’s over 25% asian, it’s better to not say i’m asian, right?</p>
<p>Colleges don’t look at the box you check. That part of the application goes to the people who gather statistics and it is never seen by the people who decide if you where accepted or not.</p>
<p>That being said, I couldn’t bring myself to check the white box on the application. All the schools I applied to are very white already. And even though I look very white, I have at least 3 races in my blood.</p>
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Are you saying colleges admissions people never see your race when making a decision? There’s no way that’s true.
Just write your race in. If your name or ECs give it away, they won’t be confused if you don’t report. Besides, I seriously doubt somebody would admit an unreported person over an Asian given the exact same credentials. Only the people who don’t benefit from AA would go unreported anyways. Your ethnicity is the last thing you should worry about; there’s nothing you can do so just let it be.</p>
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I think it is true, at least for some colleges. I can’t find any source to back it up right now though.</p>
<p>The college I go to says they do affirmative action, but there are only about 10 black kids in the whole school. So I doubt it.</p>
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Perhaps at some colleges such as ones that forbid themselves or are legally forbidden from practicing AA, but the vast majority of colleges mentioned on this site use AA. Look up some colleges on collegeboard… most of them will say they consider race.
Just because they do it doesn’t be the number of black students would be high. Rather, it’s because of the relatively low numbers that they do it in the first place. I didn’t get this off a ranking or something just looked it up randomly: Cornell-6%, Northwestern-6%, Chicago-6%, Yale-8%, Stanford-8%…</p>
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or perhaps show the colleges that you’re different than them…</p>
<p>just curious, do you have an Asian sounding last name? if that’s the case, i remember reading an article about kids who checked the “Other” box and how colleges would just look at their name and other information to try to figure out the applicant’s ethnicity.</p>
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<p>Here are some figures that need to be considered before speculating about these issues, namely the percentages of students reported as “race unknown” in federal reporting by various colleges, both at the kind of colleges we often talk about on CC and at other colleges. </p>
<p>(22 percent at Case Western) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Case Western Reserve University - Case - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(21 percent at Cornell) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Cornell University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(21 percent at William and Mary) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - College of William and Mary - CWM - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(21 percent at Brandeis) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Brandeis University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(20 percent at Amherst College) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Amherst College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(18 percent at Princeton) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Princeton University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(18 percent at Reed College) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Reed College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(16 percent at Chicago) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - University of Chicago - Chicago - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(15 percent at Penn) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - University of Pennsylvania - Penn - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(14 percent at Pomona) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Pomona College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(13 percent at Harvard) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Harvard College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(13 percent at Brown) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Brown University - Brown - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(13 percent at Vanderbilt) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Vanderbilt University - Vandy - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(12 percent at Carnegie Mellon) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Carnegie Mellon University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(11 percent at Yale) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Yale University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(11 percent at Columbia) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Columbia University - Columbia - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(10 percent at NYU) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - New York University - NYU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(10 percent at Agnes Scott) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Agnes Scott College - ASC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(9 percent at Whitman) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Whitman College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(8 percent at Washington U in St. Louis) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Washington University in St. Louis - Washington U. - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(7 percent at Berkeley) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - University of California: Berkeley - Cal - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(6 percent at MIT) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Massachusetts Institute of Technology - MIT - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(6 percent at Virginia) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - University of Virginia - UVA - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>And here are some other colleges: </p>
<p>(59 percent at Savannah College of Art and Design) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Savannah College of Art and Design - SCAD - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(35 percent at Metropolitan Community College: Penn Valley) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Metropolitan Community College: Penn Valley - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(28 percent at Rhode Island School of Design) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Rhode Island School of Design - RISD - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(27 percent at Champlain College) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Champlain College - CC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(26 percent at George Mason) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - George Mason University - Mason - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(24 percent at Lansing Community College) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Lansing Community College - LCC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(23 percent at Hartwick College) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Hartwick College - The Wick - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(21 percent at Lynn University) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Lynn University - LU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(20 percent at SUNY Stony Brook) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - State University of New York at Stony Brook - Stony Brook University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(20 percent at New York School of Interior Design) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - New York School of Interior Design - NYSID - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(19 percent at Eugene Lang College) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Eugene Lang College The New School for Liberal Arts - Lang - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(18 percent at SUNY Albany) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - State University of New York at Albany - UAlbany - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(18 percent at Fashion Institute of Technology) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Fashion Institute of Technology - FIT - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(17 percent at Northeastern) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Northeastern University - NU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(17 percent at Whittier College) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Whittier College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board) </p>
<p>(13 percent at Tuskegee) </p>
<p>[College</a> Search - Tuskegee University - TU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)</p>
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<p>Are you telling me that race is, in fact, a key factor in admissions?</p>
<p>If race truly isn’t that big of a deal, as its proponents assert, then its removal doesn’t significantly affect the holistic quality of holistic admissions.</p>
<p>Common Application definition of “holistic” admission process (which is a prerequisite for joining the Common Application club): </p>
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<p><a href=“https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/BecomeMember.aspx[/url]”>https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/BecomeMember.aspx</a></p>
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Considering race and gender is the only practical way that colleges can create an adequately racially diverse and gender balanced student body.</p>
<p>Once again, tokenadult provides important information that is helpful to the discussion.</p>
<p>The wording does not specify that race MUST be considered. It says that “Information allowing you to select a diverse student body” is required. Extracurriculars, in my opinion, allow for the selection of a diverse student body while remaining race-blind.</p>
<p>So as long as there is an essay, a recommendation, and “Information allowing you to select a diverse student body,” a race-blind system is NO LESS holistic than a race-based system.</p>
<p>I hope that the supporters of racial preferences finally stop using the “no race? must be numbers only” straw man.</p>
<p>“a race-blind system is NO LESS holistic than a race-based system”</p>
<p>This leaves out the middle ground of “race considered” in a system where many factors are weighed.</p>
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That’s pretty much code for consider race and gender.</p>
<p>There should be a “gender unknown” category as well</p>
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<p>If race is not considered, the system is race-blind. Since we’re focusing on the variable ‘race,’ if race is considered, then the system is race-based.</p>
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<p>If it doesn’t say that, then there is no requirement to consider either race or gender. Only “Information allowing you to select a diverse student body.”</p>
<p>So. </p>
<p>Colleges and their students find racial diversity important. AA is currently the best way to achieve it. You can’t solve a race-based problem without a race-based solution. Especially when the population you are dealing with is in the minority of college applicants.</p>
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<p>Do you have any historical or international comparative evidence for this factual assertion?</p>
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There is no way to prove or disprove that, so let’s not even go down that path.</p>
<p>Also, for once, when we debate whether or not Affirmative Action should exist can we at least stick to the modern day argument for it? The debate nowadays should be about whether or not seeking racially diverse, gender balanced, geographically diverse, etc. student bodies should be considered a social good.</p>
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Race-based sounds like a quota system where race is the only consideration. Race-blind sounds like gender-blind, wealth-blind, talent-blind, athletic-blind, SAT-blind, etc. We could eliminate all criteria and admit by lottery!</p>