Fastest-Growing Ethnic Category at Great Colleges: "Race Unknown"

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<p>Do you have anything to back that up? Our entire society suggests that this is not the case.</p>

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<p>Why not?

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<p>College applicants [self-identify[/url</a>] on a false-premise. The whole man-made ‘race’ notion is built on a foundation of shifting sand:</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm]American”>http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm]American</a> Anthropological Association Statement on “Race” (May 17, 1998)](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1059723071-post198.html]self-identify[/url”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1059723071-post198.html):</p>

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<p>“Affirmative action policies are constitutional. Michigan’s affirmative action policy was held unconstitutional. Therefore, Michagan’s affirmative action policy was not really an affirmative action policy because it was held as unconstitutional.”</p>

<p>Please see post #962 by fabrizio. What would you call Michigan’s policy, if not affirmative action? </p>

<p>StichInTime,</p>

<p>I only somewhat agree with you. Although biologically the same, many “racial” groups have developed a culture and identity that makes many of the people from that group unique from people from other “racial” groups.</p>

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<p>Please give an example of a group of your choosing and list what aspects of its culture and identity make it unique from other groups.</p>

<p>Interesting topic , but I think a number of postings are missing the point and end up debating issues that universities are not even considering when trying to achieve a diverse campus.</p>

<p>Try to focus on the U.R. part instead of the M. part.</p>

<p>Universities as well as major corporations are reaching for diversity goals , meaning adding UNDER REPRESENTED , it just happens to be the MINORITIES are the under represented.</p>

<p>I don’t think schools or any other organizations with diversity goals are trying to atone for the past or even have a goal of helping poor minorities. They just want to be able to say that they have a diverse environment.
The semantics of quotas , percentages or diversity goals are just a byproduct of higher education marketing , not idealism.</p>

<p>It may be unfair to a small part of the population but most things in life are unfair.</p>

<p>Here is my analysis:</p>

<p>Colleges want to look good. They want to look like they are diverse. So they want their statistics to be able to say that they have a certain % of certain racial groups. </p>

<p>Whether they admit it or not, they do discriminate, directly or indirectly, against over-represented groups like Asians (I am Asian, to be in the clear). The reason of course is that they do not define a a proportion of say 35% Asian and 70% Caucasian as desirable. </p>

<p>The caveat of course, is that the 35% number could only be generated out of those people who actually submitted their racial status. Those who opted to leave the field blank cannot be counted in the statistic. </p>

<p>I suspect that the 35% number itself, for example, would be a reason admission officers are less willing with regards to Asian students. Part of the reverse discrimination springs from the desire to avoid the presumed negative reputation stemming from disproportionate racial balances. If we in effect “help” those folks to not have to have that 35% number, by not putting down your ethnicity if you are an ORM, at least that concern is eliminated. For example, if half the Asians did not put down their ethnicity, the statistics would reveal the Asian proportion of the class to be much smaller. Let us at least not make it harder because of external concerns such as racial statistics for those people wanting to accept you.</p>

<p>Some people would dispute the ethics of this; I personally find reverse discrimination and racial preference to be far more repugnant. In any case, I have declined to fill out any survey/preference forms for the colleges I have been accepted to; I will not aid and abet strategic admission and the Tufts syndrome, among other ills.</p>

<p>man i am part goan (part of india that was invaded by portugual) and many people there have last names like fernandez etc. Man i wish my last name was like so then adcoms might assume i am a urm when i am actually indian, if i report race unknown.
I think its understanble that many people ( i am guessing most asians) are putting unknown given the unfair treatment they are subjected to in college admissions.</p>

<p>It worked out for me.</p>

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<p>Just to make sure I understand, let me ask, are you saying that you didn’t report your ethnicity and you still got into your favorite college?</p>

<p>My D is also bent upon putting Unknown even though it is clear from our names that we are Asian Americans.</p>

<p>Anyone can have any kind of name under current law in most states of the United States–you can change your name or your child’s name to anything you like.</p>

<p>my last name could definitely be spanish, but i am white with blue eyes…lol</p>

<p>could i get away with putting myself as a minority for scholarship and all admissions</p>

<p>I shouldn’t even dignify this idiotic and unethical question with an answer, but quite simply: NO.</p>

<p>You should also be ashamed of yourself for asking.</p>

<p>you got backup for that</p>

<p>Kinda embarrassed to admit this, but I’ve thought about trying to pass myself as an Alaskan native.</p>

<p>um, i think u definitely can lol droooz. not that i’m saying you should, but there are definitely white people with blue eyes that are hispanic.</p>

<p>Apparently the fact that this is a morally wrong thing to do does not bother you. Do you think it is ok to steal as long as you can get away with it. I don’t know what sort of proof they ask for for being Hispanic. If you succeed in doing this you would spend 4 years living with the lie. If they found out you would probably be thrown out and have to repay all the scholarship money. Not to mention possibly being prosecuted for fraud. Yes getting money under false pretenses is fraud which is a crime. You could also be found out at the application stage. Attempted fraud. Then you would have a criminal record.</p>

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Again I’m not saying he should pretend to be something that he’s not, but how would they find out? Many hispanics whose families lived in mexico or South America for generations have blond hair and blue eyes. they’re just as diverse as Europeans are. The only way colleges would find out is if they look through his family history and trace what country his great-great grandparents had come from.</p>

<p>I remember reading this question a lot around application time last fall. It comes up over and over in various only slightly different ways. My guess is that just checking “hispanic” probably wouldn’t help that much anyway. I have known (actual) Hispanic kids both accepted and rejected … I think admissions committees would like to see students whose hispanic culture has contributed in some way to what they bring to the table. Not just a checked box on a Common Application form. If I’ve seen a lot of people post here about faking this even in the short time I’ve been reading CC, you can bet admissions officers have seen it countless more times. These reps aren’t naive about such things.</p>

<p>Yes, most people of hispanic descent usually write about how their culture has meaningfully impacted them, how they have overcome/dealt with their socioeconomic circumstances, etc.</p>

<p>You could. </p>

<p>But you shouldn’t. </p>

<p>And for asking something like this, it makes you seem like the type of person that shouldn’t get any scholarship.</p>