<p>No. How about this hypothesis: fat people fall into a such deep psychological abyss (because they feel so bad about their appearance/feel the social stigma) that they need to get medicated to get them back on tarck? Not completely implausible. Correlation =/= causation.</p>
<p>And if you simply talk about leptin without taking everything else into acount… You are not talking about the whole picture. A human body is not a computer program - it is a complex web of biochemical pathways. Just a word of warning to you from a seasoned researcher: if the answer is too good to be true - it is FALSE.</p>
<p>I do research as well (Economics) And while correlation != causation, in this situation we have correlation but we don’t know if its causing the outcome that we are talking about. </p>
<p>Further research to substantiate those claims is needed. I just wouldn’t be so cavalier here and dismiss those claims outright. Because scientifically speaking, I can think of a few pathways were psych meds/anti-depressants promote weight gain.</p>
<p>haha I have no interest in Leptin. Heck, I’m going to school (MSc) for Actuarial Sciences :)</p>
<p>I simply identified Leptin as an important piece of the bio-chemical puzzle that is dieting after many years of self-study.(Even in the fitness community it has only been around since 2006/7 or so) I realize that it will take a while for the mainstream to become familiar with it as its a relatively new hormone, but I honestly think that it will eventually figure prominently in future dieting discussions.</p>
<p>The mainsteam was briefly fascinated with leptin from about 1994 (roughly when it was discovered) until 1999 or so, when all indicators showed that there cannot be a drug developed based on it. :)</p>
<p>In other words, when the body-builder, bulk 'n cut, “body recomposition” internet personal trainer nutrition crowd jumped on the bandwagon.</p>
<p>I should have known this was all from internet guru e-book “body recomposition” guru, Lyle McDonald. Maybe I’ll try his 800 calorie a day crash diet the next time I get a little pudgy from a few months of “bulking up” and injecting steroids. Of course, when I’m crash dieting, I’ll be sure to throw in a 4000 calorie “refeed” day once a week to… you know… keep my leptin levels up, dude.</p>
<p>I was soooo relieved when I realized all I had to do was to cut out the carbs and eat more protien. Of course, it took me two years to figure it out. I think there’s a lot of useless infor out there.</p>
<p>But, what about just eating things you could get if there were no factories? For me, that’s how I do it. So, fruits, veggies, meats and fish. Simple. olive oil, citrus, lots of garlic and spices, minimal salt…</p>
<p>It’s not too challenging if you don’t overthink it. If it gets too complicated I really can’t handle it, personally. </p>
<p>Oh, here’s another thing…my freezer is completely empty. I keep very little food in the house I’m not eating that day, except things like capers and olives and onions, garlic, shallots, oils and vinegars, things to cook WITH.</p>
<p>Easy. 1 piece of meat (bird or fish) at dinner. Some sort of bean the other 5 meals. Ate veggies and fruits till I exploded. No bread except unleavened. Except for my piece of meat I’m practically and herbivore.</p>
<p>Moderation… Shrinking your stomach works wonders.</p>
<p>Actually exercise. I only walked. </p>
<p>It’s not really that hard when you lose the excuses. It’s a circle. The worse I eat, the worse I feel. The worse I feel, the worse I eat. But it works in reverse to. The BETTER I eat, the better I feel. The better I feel, the better I eat!</p>
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<p>That’s what I did. I only have ingredients. Even when I absolutely can’t wait to cook something I’m stuck with raisins or a can of beans lolol or oatmeal. LOLOL</p>
<p>Both about GETTING AWAY FROM PROCESSED FOODS, upping the protein!</p>
<p>That’s what healthy versions of “low carb” are: varied and balanced, nutrition dense, low glycemic foods! </p>
<p>What we were designed to eat. The industrialization of our food supply was initially a huge innovation, the scaling up to support a huge population, phase 3, after 1- hunting and gathering (paleolithic), 2- agriculture (neolithic till 20 th century.</p>
<p>P.s. Industrialization=
add lots of chemicals to kill weeds and pests, bacteria and viruses and mold, and enhance growth, preserve on shelf, easy to handle and sturdy
mass grow; mass produce; mass process
ship far
package
market nationally, globally
defy seasons
create a uniform palate nationally, globally
add sugar and fructose and salt
create artificial foods
emphasize convenience and flavor and quantity over nutrition
de-emphasize fresh foods and cooking
fast food restaurants and convenience stores ubiquitous
cooking = microwaving
Genetically Modify Plants to serve these purposes: soy, rapeseed/canola, corn, wheat
Hyper-Pasteurize Dairy; salmonella, etc in eggs and chicken; e-coli in vegetables
Health Science, Biology and Medicine: where were they during all this?</p>
<p>It is EXPENSIVE to eat right these days. It is a PRIVILEGE: need the money, need the information/education.</p>
<p>You keep eating your cucumber and leek unwiches (you know, without the bread) and diet purified bottled water. I want to go with a 20oz steak hanging out of my mouth.</p>
<p>A- you are a paleo. If it works for you, then go for it. You are a hunter!!
Cuke and leek is more of a neolithic style, or female/gatherer version of paleo.</p>
<p>my grandma used to eat onion sandwiches with butter.
But then I like some pretty weird open face sandwiches too.
Tuna fish with curry and apples, or peanut butter w salsa. :)</p>
<p>Fixation on weight & diet is something I do not have patience for.
I have never counted calories & while I could lose a few lbs, I just drink a little more water and take a few more walks if my waistband is getting too tight.
( & after I make myself go in for hand surgery, I am hoping to be able to lift weights again)
I am one of those people who eats whatever they want although I am only 53 & not menopausal yet. I hear that when that happens it is impossible to lose anything.
H is same way, but more so. He eats whatever he wants & he has worn the same size 501s ( 30/33) for as long as I have known him, which is almost 35 years.</p>
<p>Biology (with inclusion of biochemistry and human physiology) is not a required course taught in HS. It really should be.</p>
<p>I would ask this question a bit differently: what kind of pharmaceutical research the VCs were funding during all this and why? What: see the discussion on leptin above. Why: the American public expected (and still does!) a miracle pill that, taken a few times a day, will make everyone slender and fit.</p>
<p>I do not necessarily agree that technical advances in shipping and storing of food should be listed among the evils that are leading to “Fattening of America”. Without the technologies, folks in places like Alaska would be eating only beets, wilted carrots, potatoes and sauerkraut all winter long.</p>
<p>Yes, BB, my statement meant also that the industrialization of food was ironically very well-intended! It allowed our population to grow and to live in more zones of the earth.</p>
<p>Usually, every technological advance has costs as well as benefits.</p>
<p>Taub’s “Why we get fat and what to do about it” is a dumbed-down explanation of his position in “Good Calories, Bad Calories.” The latter is where you find extensive scientific support for his position.</p>
<p>Vegetables & fruits can be quite expensive- additonally as has already been pointed out, oftentimes urban groceries do not stock much in the way of fresh produce.
<p>cbreeze, should be! but it’s easier and cheaper to go to a FF joint, especially if you do not have a very nice kitchen. Hey, the kids like those mcnuggets- you know, cooking it so they will eat it is hard. And it takes info to get that mcnuggets are very different nutritionally from a grilled breast cooked at home with ingredients you control.</p>
Please tell me why you have such a vested interest in leptin?</p>