@gallentjill said:
Is that like a fry cook at McDonalds?
@Leigh22 , I don’t want to state what race my son said they were because I don’t want to turn it into a race debate, because I am relating a secondhand story from my teenage son, and because I wanted to avoid falling into stereotypes about the types of kids who some might think would do this, and who some might think would pay to have it done. The main thing was that the kids seemed sketchy to my son because they seemed to have their names confused and didn’t respond automatically when called.
Jack Buckingham felt bad, sure, but evidently not bad enough to say that he would withdraw his applications with the fraudulent 34 ACT.
I don’t believe he didn’t know. The apology came off as a publicity stunt.
Shoot! I paid someone 50K to write my post for me. I demand my money back.
Interesting take - why certain colleges make SAT optional
"Under pressure from both the academic left and wealthy parents, hundreds of colleges have become “test optional,” allowing students to submit applications without test scores. Some elite schools, including Bowdoin, Bryn Mawr and the University of Chicago have adopted these policies.
It is absolutely true that the SAT is the reason this scandal occurred. But for standardized testing requirements, the millionaires and celebrities charged in this scheme would not have needed to search for “side doors” to get their children into elite colleges; they could have walked right in through the front."
more here: https://quillette.com/2019/03/13/standardized-testing-and-meritocracy/
I just need to say…
- There are honest families who use college consultants in the college search and selection process.
- There ARE kids whose SAT scores improve by nearly 400 points on a retake....and not by having someone else do the answers for them.
- There are athletes who do get injured prior to the start of college. That does happen.
- My opinion....the SAT is just too long. It’s too long for most kids taking it. I just have never understood why sitting for five hours is somehow deemed OK for most. It’s not.
Let’s not cast a broad net here assuming that everyone doing these things is at fault.
It’s the dishonest folks that need a very clear look see.
Different schools should, justifiably, engender different comments. Caltech, for example, which registers a 25th percentile ACT score of 34, might be viewed differently from highly regarded schools at which this figure falls a few points lower.
Google Jane Buckingham. There is an LA Times article that says she is the one who submitted the handwriting sample. Transcripts indicate she did not want her son to know any of what she had done.
I agree there are honest families using college consultants, but I admit to rolling my eyes when folks on here casually toss out spending $10000 or more for one, like that’s just commonplace. If you do it, own it and be honest about the advantage.
I saw an interesting cartoon where mom tells her son - “Keep working hard and maybe one day you’ll be able to bribe colleges for your kids” lol
Nope, they still would have had to bribe the coach. Remember, I high score alone is generally not enough for these elite schools.
@gallentjill To justify athletic hire, an athletic director has to prove that this snowflake is within the range acceptable college’s SAT/ACT standard … one can not go to USC with 900 SAT score (unless you have bought a building!)
@LisaNCState I"m only saying that even without the SAT component, there still would have been a scandal. They would still have had to bribe the coaches.
ShanFerg3 “This thread has turned into a lot of sour grapes and Ivy bashing.”
If the stories are true that some prep schools fraudulently gain ‘disabled’ status for more than half of their students so that they can get extra time on a test whose results are dependent upon thinking quickly, could you please answer two questions for me?
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Do you think that’s fair to students who have genuine reasons for needing extra time?
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Do you find that behavior immoral, or do you think that those who do not game the system have sour grapes?
@gallentjill - Yes first get the SAT/ACT score in with accommodation (cha-ching $15,000 to $50,000) next pay to athletic director since he/she has to justify to adcom that this snowflake is ready for our elite university (Cha-Ching $500,000 to $1 million) and happy acceptance letter/email on your way…
@north campus
Its also unfair to the kids without accommodations who struggle with the time requirements. Its unfair to everyone.
responding to post 1215 re why is the attention only on the Full House actress’ kid.
Yes, I agree. There are some other college students involved who deserve equal scrutiny, e.g., this girl who seems to have cooperated in her parents crimes to get in to Georgetown three years ago and currently parlayed her college experience into a white shoe iinvestment banking internship: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12212779
I remember when Greenwich high school had 50% of their class with accomodations.
Isn’t the bottom line that ALL of these students had to check some sort of box certifying that all of the information on their app is correct? Applications are “signed” by students, not parents, after all.
I realize that there are degrees of guilt and culpability for the students’ involvement, but how do you get around this? Submitting a false application, or having someone sign and submit it for you, must be grounds for some sort of penalty.
@roycroftmom - This is ridiculous what you just said … This hole must be filled ASAP by SAT/ACT folks right away!