Feds uncover admissions test cheating plot

For me, first issue is the university emphasis on sports and recruiting. Yes, I get all the arguments in favor but I see its various effects. Second, that adcoms can or might defer to coach pull.

I know that’s a sensitive topic, many parents feel their kids were qualified academically. But we know recruiting is a big back door, a huge one. And on CC, we know how often it’s mentioned as a hook. And that “qualified” or the notion of “meriting” an admit (the parent argument) is a lot more than gpa and scores. For all the rest of applicants, it certainly goes well past stats.

So the legally trained here might weigh in, but it seems to me that, to some degree, the U is complicit at least in valuing and allowing for the weight of athletic skill. Allowing that back door.

I’m just commenting, from my own perspective. Hoping this doesn’t lead to arguments.

@deborahb

I disagree with this. Kids who need accommodations should have them. No question. But when kids with no need do so to game the system, it puts the honest kids at a real disadvantage. It isn’t fair to ask the honest kids to compete with cheaters. Its like asking honest athletes to compete with people on steroids. Its cold comfort to them knowing they didn’t cheat when they have to watch others get to go to the Olympics.

I didn’t even know that you can request more time on SAT/ACT for accommodations prior to this scandal. This is a loophole that an elephant can go through.

This will be unpopular and long. If this doesn’t apply to your child, scroll on. Only you know your own personal situation and since I likely don’t know your family, I am not talking about you or your personal situation. There are certainly valid reasons for extended time. I sit across the table at IEP meetings several times a week. We write in extended time and encourage with or without parents asking when it is needed. If your child has a true need for accommodations, the practice of other parents “searching” for the same for their typical kids should bother you too. I am personally connected to the IEP/ learning support disability process at work and on a personal level my God daughter, two nephews, niece (different family) all have a valid LD.

There is over-testing for disabilities in our suburban public schools and it is a very recent issue. These students are concentrated in the top two quartiles of learners. We just thought the parents were anxious but turns out extended testing time is the reason the middle school is swamped with parent requests for 504s for students who are exhibiting typical age behaviors and typical learning. When provided all of the data from class observations, class performance, standardized testing, and informal assessments from multiple years that the child does not demonstrate “need”, the parent puts it in writing to override and continue to push for testing.

The school does preliminary testing and there is no indication of a learning issue that is impacting performance and learning (not that there might not be some issue but that there is not an impact on learning growth). The parents go and pay someone to do private testing that find one or two area that are elevated. It is EASY to get and indication with parent input checklists tilting the data. The levels are typically in the high average (or low average range depending on the measure) and certainly not indicative of a disability in need of accommodations. If the first practice does not find any indication of disability, then they shop around and find another Dr. to repeat the testing. The waiting list is long to get through to process and many families go through multiple times at different locations. Parents come back to school and demand a 504 “on file” but without LS services or need other than testing accommodations. When it is suggested to write in social skills groups, weekly check ins with the LS teacher or other accommodations that might support the “area of need” the parents refuse. They don’t want others to know anything about it, nothing else documented because their child doesn’t “need” those things. They just “need” the extended testing.

We are seeing a flood of poor executive functioning, slower processing speed, and testing anxiety as a recommendations to write a 504 with testing accommodations. These are not our autistic students, physically impaired students, sensory impaired students. These are not students who are struggling to perform or displaying any atypical behaviors. These are students who are often in the top of their classes. Other times they are perfectly average in most areas with a few towering strengths and a few areas of weakness - typical preteens. I see them, work with them, and have read their extensive testing reports for almost 3 decades. Now, MS seems late to get this diagnosis track started to register for top track classes, especially with the waiting lists to get testing completed. The past 2 years we have seen the requests starting in 4th-5th grades. They are finding it easier to push for the 504 before there are years of standardized testing that show they are typical learners. The parents can not accept that their child is typical and need for them to be exceptional.

These parents are looking for a way to make their child the victim of some disorder to explain anything less than perfect or to explain any struggle. They are working every angle to smooth out the bumps and elevate their child. The extended time in state testing and district level assessments ensure that they score high enough to secure a spot in the top track classes in high school. There are not unlimited seats in all of the top classes and the cut off has to be somewhere. They are creating an excuse why Jon/Jan does not excel in every area - just most areas.In the 80s it was fine to be average and great to be above average. In the 90’s it was the teachers who didn’t know what they were doing. Now it is still that, of course, added in with the disability “reason” why my child is just above average in this one area or possible “below average” or even “low” in one or more areas. As soon as a parent writes that their preteen/teen is struggling in school or bored in school so their grades are bad - everyone on FB and chat groups chimes in “have you had them tested for…” and “sounds just like my child who has been diagnosed with …” This is not healthy or good for our children. It tells them they are flawed and not good enough but don’t worry we can fix it. It takes resources from those truly in need. It puts those who do not fraud the system at a distinct disadvantage by missing out on seats in top track classes, getting lower GPAs and lower ranks.

I wrote it back yesterday but I think there should be 2 versions of the tests: timed AND unlimited time. ALL students should be able to choose the tests they want to take and submit the tests they want to submit but it would be reported which test they took. There will be plenty of typical students who would opt to take the extended timed test to keep the confidentiality of hidden disabilities. Universities can then decide if their program values/requires speed and quick recall/application or analysis, deep thought, and flexible thinking. Are the tests too long as someone mentioned up thread? Did people ask that in the 70s and 80s and 90s? DId they get longer? I really don’t know. As it stands now enough parents have learned the hack of extended time and are exploiting it all through school that if your child is NOT doing it you need to realize they are competing against those that are and they are protected. The schools will never know. That is a broken system.

This is very very true, but if your kid was ever rejected from any ‘highly competitive’ competition ever, you have to wonder if, or how many kids cheated to take your kid’s rightful spot.

It’s infuriating.

@gallentjill - to make the process fair. parents can’t shop for a doctor! And have high school appointed doctor paid by Parents (maybe or school) for the evaluation for a legit claim of accommodation? A high school principal has to sign to make sure its punishable by law if they falsify the information . is that a solution?

@lookingforward…I think discussion(not arguments) regarding this topic is really needed. Perhaps part of the reason that the lid has blown off of this thread is that many, many people knew that this was likely an unfair advantage and finally there is proof. The greater the resource at your disposal…the better your opportunity…you can buy anything…with the exception of integrity. The system has needed an overhaul for 20 years… this maybe the start of a revolution.

And don’t get me started about Pennsylvania…;0)

People care way too much about what university’s name is on a diploma, and now we see what lengths they will go to in order to get that name.

Fascinating to see the parent’s backgrounds, outside of the b list celebrities. Ivy League and elite schools. Prestigious grad schools, law schools and PhDs. And not many seem to have been born wealthy.

The level of work it took them to get into the schools they chose and complete their own education—would seem like they would be the last people who would want to game the system.

And it shows also that just being connected, a legacy and so called wealthy actually isn’t enough to get your children into the schools they desire. If they don’t have the strong profile they have to cheat and commit fraud.

Perhaps that shows the system works a little better than this thread would indicate. And the other real lesson is for increased compliance and oversight to detect fraud not a complete overhaul. Although some changes in the preference area is worth a look as well.

Northwestern is now involved.

EVANSTON, IL — The parents of a Northwestern University student have been charged as part of a nationwide college admissions cheating scandal. The freshman student and her older sister, a junior at Georgetown University, are accused of cheating on standardized tests with hand-picked proctors, according to federal charging documents and school records.

Elizabeth and Manuel Henriquez, of Atherton, California, are among dozens of parents charged with conspiracy to commit mail fraud and honest services mail fraud on behalf of their two daughters as part of what authorities said was a $25 million racketeering scheme uncovered in a investigation dubbed “Operation Varsity Blues.”

https://patch.com/illinois/evanston/college-cheating-scandal-northwestern-students-parents-charged

“So the legally trained here might weigh in, but it seems to me that, to some degree, the U is complicir- at least in valuing and allowing for the weight if athletic skill. Allowing that back door.”

From a legal standpoint, there is no basis for any criminal claim against the U. A case could be made that they were negligent in their lax oversight of athletic admits and the corrupt coaches. Problem is, what are the damages and who are the victims? The kids who were hurt by this (i.e., those who lost admission slots to unqualified athletes) can never be identified.

I agree with you about these elite schools overvaluing athletic skill. The ability to row a crew boat or hit a squash ball at a high level should not be valued anymore than the ability to play the oboe at a high level. As it stands, the athletics are valued far more than musical ability or any number of other talents which are only seen as “a good EC.”

@cavitee - got it. I’m sure that’s true in some cases. My daughter gets extra time and certainly has been allowed to finish on next day or take something home. Her teachers knew her enough to know she wouldn’t cheat and she never did, but I do agree this could be manipulated by people looking to game the system. As someone with a kid who needs the extra time due to a physical disability. it does horrify me that people abuse these things because the honest, legitimate cases get judged with those who are aren’t.

@privatebanker:
“If they don’t have the strong profile they have to cheat and commit fraud.”
No, they really don’t. They chose to.

              "Perhaps that shows the system works a little better than this thread would indicate."

Oh, yes. This. Absolutely one way to look at and process all of this.

@bamamom2021 I agree with much of what you wrote, but why bother with two versions? Why not just take time out of the equation for everyone? As it is now, the tests are flawed because they can’t distinguish between the kids who get a low score because they can’t do the problems and those who score low because they don’t read or calculate quickly. I would think thats a difference the schools should care about. Also, it creates an almost irresistible temptation to cheat. If you are a parent who knows her child can do the work, but is being prevented because of time pressure, that can be quite heartbreaking. You can start to think…well maybe not being able to read, calculate or assimilate information quickly IS a disability. If I don’t do something, colleges will never know that my child is capable of doing the work. As I have said many times, no amount of extra time is going to magically teach a kid how to do a problem they simply don’t know how to do. But it will let them show what they are truly capable of.

Please don’t let any of what I’m saying lead anyone to believe that I’m in favor of “fake” diagnoses, or that I would ever resort to that. But the more parents who do, the more unfair it is for everyone. AND to a certain degree, I wonder if they just feel they are compensating for an unfair testing situation overall.

Now, you could make some additional “timed” tests if a school has any particular need for them. A school could choose to require it in the same way some schools require certain SAT2s. I’m not sure any would though, because I really can’t see an instance where speed of work would be an issue.

@Dancer41 - I want to believe you but now after hearing this cheating - We all want TRUST BUT VERIFY and verification must be done by the third party starting immediately for all kids who getting accommodation

The Boston Globe has more detail today on why this case was brought in Boston, rather than on the West Coast. The initial lead came from someone cooperating in an unrelated securities case out of Boston. This thread has moved fast, so apologies if this was already posted.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2019/03/13/investigation-one-scheme-lead-prosecutors-another/KBBjYqsgKeb8HQUs3yUkKP/story.html

@momofsenior1 Your excellent post and research confirms my view in the post before yours.

Despite the background, the money, connections and the donation neither child would have been admitted to Gtown Or NU. They had to cheat to get to a level of excellence to be considered. In child one’s case even that wasn’t enough. “Fake a sport” was part two.

Honestly…now Northwestern? I truly feel bad for those that have worked to enter and have been awarded appropriate merit. Having said that…for the many that may have cheated, used unfair advantages or false hooks…I hope the walls crumble down on all of them and that they are exposed. I have a feeling we are likely to see many more school, administrators and celebs involved in the next few months.

At some level it’s a good thing that incompetence and corruption at these colleges are getting exposed through these scandals. At least it may open eyes of simpletons who blindly defend sacred holistic sanctity of Ivy admissions and try to justify injustice faced by hard working and intelligent student scholars.

By throwing some free bones to poor and URM, they undermine how they keep middle class in their place. Probably that’s the reason behind high sticker price, so even if they have to accept some to look good, those aren’t able to afford it. Most considerate kids let go of their dreams as they don’t want messing up with whole family’s finances and parent’s retirements…

Think about the games played at private and prep schools to help their Ivy matriculation rates. There is a reason acceptance rates from good suburban public schools are so low.

There’s been a lot of discussion about having those students who lied on their college applications to be expelled. The schools can’t claim integrity and honesty only to turn around and allow this behavior to happen. I read that the schools will review each student’s application case by case.

Do you think the Landry students who falsified and signed off on their application should be expelled as well?