Feeling lost and breaking down

Hi Kelvin82: Kudos to you and congratulations on your QB acceptance.

You are truly fortunate to be considering and communicating directly with excellent schools – all top notch. I re-read your opening post and see that you are first generation and in need of financial aid. Because you are from Los Angeles, first generation and in need of financial aid, as you do your visits/contacts and refine your lists, please be sure to carefully consider how you feel about each school (your “fit”), organizations/groups at each school which support first generation students (both in and out of the classroom), weather (yes, weather), and whether your finances will allow you to fly home during school breaks – some of the intangibles that can affect your college experience, apart from top notch academics.

I was glad to see your post #46 and your plan to apply to the four UCs and the two Cal Poly schools. I’m sure you’ve already done the research, but please look at the UC Blue & Gold financial aid program if your family meets the program profile. BTW, given your academic interests, you may want to look at UC Davis vs. UCSB as you refine your UC list.

All the best to you.

@555State could you elaborate on the part about UCD vs UCSB? I’ve looked into UCD, and I really like the strength and emphasis on food science. I’ve also looked into UCSB, and found they were incredibly generous with AP credits, which would make double majoring or minoring more flexible for me. I’m torn between both.

Kelvin82 I just sent you a PM.

Regarding ED vs Match, the decision needs to be thought out very carefully. You can’t do both. Maybe you have a definite #1 school that seems like a possible admit, and where you have done a fly-in, and demonstraed interest (if it matters), or had significant communication with a rep, etc.

Match gives you the chance to essentially do ED at 12 schools. However as you note, the chances are very low. And…it is binding! So as 555State points out, be absolutely sure about “fit.” Here it gets tricky. Ask youself: if your #4 school does not take you for Match, but then calls you to invite you to apply to their ED II…but in the meantime you were given a Match for your #10 school – how would you feel about it?

S #1 considered ranking only one school for match. Instead he ended up doing Single Choice Early Action (non-binding). That school’s policies allowed for simultaneous applications to PUBLIC schools. So he also applied to a public which he knew he liked and would be affordable. You are fortunate to live in CA and the suggestions for UCs are important.

Hello everyone! I am so stunned and delighted to say that I was accepted for Barnard Bound! So excited!

Wow! What amaing news! Congratulations!!!

I visited Barnard w our eldest and we did the info session and tour. I was impressed! It is so great that you will have the chance to compare very different campuses.

Enjoy the Big Apple :slight_smile:

Rejected from Smith’s Women of Distinction, but it is okay.

Things are really shaping up nicely for you!!! We are all rooting for you. Enjoy your visits!

Thank you @naviance

Currently looking at colleges who are disability friendly, and really liked the UC’s disability services and its EOP program. Also looked at disability friendly schools and found USC was one that appeared frequently as being extremely accommodating. Since USC is a Questbridge school, I’ve been looking at it closely.

I have yearly checkups at Children’s Hospital of Los Angeles, and I realized that going far away (ie: East Coast) may not be practical. So, I have also looked at Pomona College, Scripps College, and Claremont McKenna College.

@CADREAMIN could you offer me some guidance, specifically in regards to the strength of USC’s chemistry and economics programs. Also, do you know anything about USC’s disability accommodations? Since it is a large research university, I’m worried I will not be able to receive as much individualized attention as I would at a smaller LAC.

@aquapt Thank you. Your post about ADA and whether or not if an applicant with a disability should have an advantage in the admissions process was enlightening. To be honest, I feel guilty about writing about my visual impairment, because I was born with it; I haven’t earned it. It has played a major part in my life, however. I will do my best to make sure resilience and positivity shine through.

Do you know anything about Scripps’ econ and chem departments? I know for CMC, their econ department is amazing, and it is possible to take courses at Harvey Mudd for chem. But the all women’s environment found at Scripps appeals to me (I fell in love with women’s colleges because of its sisterhood). Additionally, will Scripps provide grants for purchasing devices to accommodate my visual impairment? I know that for UCs, there is a disability grant in place provided that one have financial need. But I think UCs are mandated by law to have that…not sure if private colleges will follow those regulations. Thank you!

Thank you for everyone for following me on this journey!

Your appointments at the children’s hospital will likely stop when you’re 18, and they’ll recommend you to another service/doctor, likely where your college is.
The “vibe” at McKenna is very different from the “vibe” at Pomona. Read about them in Fiske and perhaps
In your application to fly ins, note that if you’re selected you’d like to speak with someone in Disability.

@MYOS1634 those appointments will last until I am 21. It is possible they will recommend me to another service/doctor nearer to a college I ultimately choose.

I’m sure they will recommend you to another service/doctor. :slight_smile:

Hi, @Kelvin82 - I’m still in the pre-move-in stage of Scripps parenthood, so I don’t have much firsthand experience to offer yet, but I can tell you that chem falls within Keck Science, which is a joint venture of Scripps, CMC and Pitzer, and is very highly regarded. CMC Econ is the one department at the 5C’s that makes it very difficult for non-CMC consortium students to get classes; so your assessment of the merits of majoring in econ at Scripps shouldn’t hinge on the possibility of taking CMC classes. As far as I know the econ department at Scripps is solid in its own right, but I’m definitely not the person to ask about that.

I do know that the older Scripps students I know of through friends have been very successful at getting grant money from the college for all sorts of things. I have no specific disability-related examples, but there’s so much precedent for students getting financial backing for various things the school is not required by law to pay for, that I can’t imagine them being stingy on disability accommodations that they ARE required to provide! It’s not just public institutions that are required to provide accommodations.

I do think that if you are drawn to the whole “sisterhood” aspect of women’s colleges, Scripps offers a very best-of-both-worlds option, as a women’s college within a co-ed consortium. Of course, I’m still speaking from an outside-looking-in perspective.

There is no reason at all to feel guilty for writing about your vision issues! I’m sure you are clear on the difference between being candid about how a challenge has shaped your life, and capitalizing on disability tropes or pathos. There are all sorts of things that make people’s experiences unique - race, culture, ability, family circumstances - most of which the individual doesn’t get to choose. That doesn’t mean that all these things should be off-limits - quite the contrary. Let those things help you to stand out as someone with a unique perspective to bring to their community.

I’m sure you could be referred to get your follow-up in other places, but it does make sense to check out what resources are available nearby the schools you’re considering. Someplace like Rice, for example, with the massive Med Center district within walking distance, would obviously have all the resources you’d need. Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Center has a wide range of specialists too. From someplace like Williams, you’d be looking at a significant trek into Boston. (No problem at all from Wellesley, though.) Carleton is close enough to MSP that I’m sure you could make it work. It’s not like you need to have appointments that often. Overall it doesn’t sound like this should be a deal-killer, but it’s a consideration.

Okay, so now I have a better sense as to where you started out and where you are now than I did through our pm. How great that you are able to do Questbridge – it’s a wonderful program! But, of course, you have to be sure about wanting to go to your “matched” school (unless, of course, you’re matched to MIT, Princeton, Stanford, or Yale whose matches aren’t binding).

I have a quick question – did you ever take the ACT and, if so, how did you do on it? The reason I ask is that many schools will not require you to submit subject tests if you have taken the ACT with writing (your SAT subject test scores, while not perfect, are okay – I wouldn’t bother retaking them or spending too much time worrying about them, as most schools let you pick and choose which scores to send anyway).

As for your disability, it’s certainly something that you and/or your counselor can talk about in terms of showing your resilience and your positive attitude. The same goes for talking about having to work to support your family and how that might have affected your grades. Probably the latter is best addressed by the counselor and former by you in your CA essay. There is also a section on the CA that allows you to provide any “additional information.” You might want to briefly explain any issues that might have negatively affected your grades.

It’s great that you are doing some of those fly-in programs. My D didn’t do enough of them (she only did Rice’s SOAR; many of the other dates didn’t work for her). It’s a great way to visit schools, and I do think that it gives you a bit of a boost in Admissions. Even if you are waitlisted, your idea about contacting the schools is an excellent one. Being on their radar and showing “demonstrated interest” is going to be quite helpful. You probably want to apply to the programs at Scripps and Pomona that can fly you down in you’re far enough away or that you can travel by bus, train, or car if you are close. I believe that the deadline for Wash U.'s program has passed. That’s another great school that you might want in your radar. Also U. Chicago.

How often do you have to visit your doctors? You can certainly can make plans to do so during breaks. That said, being someplace with good medical facilities nearby would be a definite plus.

As far as accommodations and disability services go, the Claremont Colleges have a centralized Disabled Student Services that seemed to have its act together and be quite supportive. People I know that have needed support and services have gotten them. Likewise, I believe that USC is also quite good with their disability services. I know that with respect to making the school seem smaller, they have several honors programs that create a sort of “school within a school;” specifically, Thematic Option, which is a humanities-based Great Books-type program, and Freshman Science Honors.

Women’s colleges are a great option. Bryn Mawr might be a great choice, and being part of a consortium with Haverford, Swarthmore, and Penn is great.

As far as LACs go, in addition to Williams and Amherst, Swarthmore, Vassar, Wesleyan, Carleton, Grinnell, Macalester and Davidson are excellent LACs to think about. Frankly, there aren’t any Questbridge schools that I would advise against – it’ll be a matter of finding the best fit for you.

Please feel free to continue the conversation here or via pm.

@LoveTheBard thank you! No, I did not take the ACT, because accommodations were not requested for them. Did your daughter apply to Rice? How did she like Rice after visiting? Did she find the student body tolerant and accepting? I have heard that it is one of the happiest places for students and that everyone is friendly. Thank you for your thoughts and perspective.

@aquapt Does your daughter like Rice? Would you mind answering the questions that I posed above? Thank you for giving me more insight about Scripps! It is officially on my list of ranked colleges for QB.

I am so happy to say that I was accepted for Discover Swarthmore! I read on past threads that Swarthmore students are extremely quirky and driven, and not as preppy as Williams or Amherst. One thing that concerns me is the grade deflation. I really like its arboretum setting and that its chemistry and Econ departments look amazing. It is also close to Philadephia, but has that close knit community that cares about its students.

Asking on this thread, but would anyone be willing to read over my essays? I would genuinely appreciate it.

“To be honest, I feel guilty about writing about my visual impairment, because I was born with it; I haven’t earned it. It has played a major part in my life, however. I will do my best to make sure resilience and positivity shine through.”

Most people are born with disabilities and it’s not your fault at all, so I would mention it and see if you can apply with other LD applicants. Do you get any accommodations now through a 504 or IEP? If so, I would definitely mention that in your applications as those would be available to you in college per ADA (which I think someone mentioned). And you can’t be discriminated on that basis. Anyway it looks like you’re doing really well so far in the process, good luck!

Hi, @Kelvin82 - Sure, I’d be happy to read your essays!

As for Rice - my D had a very good experience there. The social experience, with the Residential College system, is very well engineered, and that makes for - as you note - a generally happy and healthy student population. That counts for a LOT. And of course it’s an excellent school academically.

That said, I don’t necessarily think that for you, I would rank Rice above other QB schools that you’re interested in, such as Wellesley, Carleton, and the Claremonts. Certainly all of the sciences are strong at Rice, and I’m sure the econ department is fine (although it’s not something Rice is particularly known for)… but it’s not a place with a strong interdisciplinary bent. My prediction is that you would probably end up with a major in one and a minor in the other, as doing a double-major across academic-college lines (Sciences + Social Sciences) would be pretty grueling, and there would be little overlap between those spheres. And the social atmosphere, while the egalitarian inclusiveness of the residential college system is wonderful, can feel a bit contrived (i.e. a little summer camp like at times) and can start to feel a little inbred and wearying after a few years. (Sometimes, what is best to give entering first-years a smooth transition is not best for upperclassmen - it’s all about trade-offs!) I guess my feeling is, it’s hard to go wrong with Rice - it is solid in just about every way - but it also isn’t the ultimate place for everyone. Part of the reason that it’s ideal for many full-pay students is that it’s “sticker price” is around $15K/year less than many top private colleges and universities. But, if you’re on a full ride, this won’t matter to you… so you might want to rank some schools where you’d get small classes and individual attention from Day 1 above Rice, where you’d be in a lot of large lecture classes at first. My D didn’t really start having relationships with professors until her third year.

For your econ+chem combo, it seems to me that Claremont McKenna would be at or near the top of the heap. All the virtues of the 5C’s, with the highly-coveted CMC Econ department and the shared Keck Science department (CMC+Pitzer+Scripps) for Chem - you could hardly find a better combination of highly-regarded academic departments in a terrific consortium. Scripps wouldn’t give you much access to CMC Econ, but the Chem major and the overall consortium context would be the same, and Scripps has its own virtues to weigh. I also still think Carleton sounds like a great fit for you, and perhaps Macalester as well.

And congrats on the Swarthmore fly-in!! Another terrific school. (And you’re not pre-med, so grade deflation isn’t as much of a worry as if you were.) Do you know whether you’ll be able to get a look at the other Quaker Consortium schools while you’re there? (UPenn and Haverford being QB schools also) I know there’s a shuttle connecting the schools - it’s just a matter of whether you’d have time to do the rounds.

I don’t think a student who’s a good fit for McKenna would be a good fit for Carleton or Swarthmore and vice versa - they have very very different vibes and ethos.

@MYOS1634 is it because Claremont McKenna has an intensely pre-professional vibe and is oriented towards leadership, whereas Carleton and Swarthmore are more intellectual and quirky?

In regards to college vibes, I’m looking for a quirky and intellectual student body with people of diverse interests and school spirit. I would like the college to have a traditional college campus and a beautiful setting that preferably has a body of water. I am also not opposed to the presence of Greek life. I also plan on doing grad school and applying to Rhodes, Fulbright, and Marshall scholarships (this is why I am concerned about grade deflation at Swarthmore)

But these are not hard limits, and may change over time.

@MYOS1634 , I agree that Claremont McKenna has quite a different vibe from the “quirky intellectual” LAC’s… and my sense of Kelvin (admittedly based on a limited view) is that the latter would be a better fit personality-wise. But then again, she’s casting a wide net, and if schools like Dartmouth are still on the table, then I don’t know why CMC couldn’t be too. All I’m saying is that you’d be hard pressed to find another school with better-regarded programs in both econ and chem. Also, even if one weren’t dead-center of the “vibe” demographics at CMC, there would still be plenty of like-minded students around the consortium, from the other colleges. (And a majority of the other Keck Science chem majors would be from Scripps and Pitzer anyway.) So my thought would be, keep it on the list and weigh the draw of the highly sought-after econ department vs. other aspects of “fit.” But others who have more direct experience with the aspects of student life that are particular to CMC might rebut that.

As for grade deflation, I have generally heard that grad schools and fellowship programs tend to be more inclined to look at grades in the context of the particular undergrad institution, as opposed to med schools which tend to look at GPA more as an absolute number. But certainly, grade inflation/deflation is still a factor to consider.

FWIW… http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/blind-student-sues-dartmouth-over-accessibility/ar-AAraM8J?li=BBnbcA1&ocid=wispr ( @Kelvin82 , this student is easy to find on Facebook and Twitter, if you wanted to make contact and get her perspective firsthand)