First suit - advice needed!

<p>anxiousmom - Given that he is paying and it’s his choice, it’s hard to influence his decision…but I would gently suggest charcoal instead of black. He can get the darkest possible charcoal which will still have the overall dramatic effect of a black suit yet will still serve many purposes including job interviews, where a black suit would not work very well.</p>

<p>And on the work front, I agree with the prior poster…once he is hired for a job or internship, he will find the daily wardrobe requirements much more casual. But engineering firms and departments are notoriously conservative…suits are the norms for the interview phase, but nothing outlandish. According to my dh, black would be considered outlandish.</p>

<p>lol, black is outlandish for a suit? everyone wears black</p>

<p>We have bought quite a few suits. S has always had black suit for musical perfomances. If there is any question of that in son’s future would disagree with posters who recommended against black. If not, I see their point. Maybe it’s just me, but my budget certainly doesn’t allow spending $500.00 for a designer suit for a 17 yr. old kid. I second poster who suggested Macy’s. Got suit on sale and it looks great. I do think it only cost $200.00, and we’re in metropolitan NYC) and got suit in outrageously expensive, upscale Nassau County neighborhood.</p>

<p>We bought tuxedo in lieu of renting on sale at SYMS for $60.00 for prom (tomorrow night.) Cheaper than renting! Again, projected orchestra wear.</p>

<p>My kid would feel too preppy in blue sport jacket, although he does have gray cordoroy (sic?) casual sport jacket his NYC sister insisted is very in, even to wear to class (in cold NE.)</p>

<p>UM - not to job or internship interviews, especially not in conservative professions or locations. You may like them…and I may like them…but that is not the point. Getting hired takes priority over making a fashion statement. (That is not to say there aren’t professions and locations where black would be okay…but engineering internships or jobs in Houston…go with charcoal grey or navy.)</p>

<p>I really like Men’s Wearhouse. The lifetime alteration is great. They have one on the East Coast where DS is in school and one here on the West Coast where we live. The salesmen are very helpful. We also signed up for some kind of rewards program and pretty quickly DS got a $50. coupon so was able to go in and pick up a spare dress shirt.</p>

<p>I have to echo BigAppleDaddy, make sure he wears the outfit for quite awhile to get comfortable in it. My s has worked in a black tie dining establishment (us riff raff call it a restaurant and don’t get me started on prices), and has to wear…you guessed it, black tie sans jacket. He very quickly got used to the stiffness/formality of it and how to keep clean while slinging plates (excuse me, serving dishes). When he went to the prom all dressed up in a tux, he looked as comfortable as he would were he wearing jeans. Meanwhile his buds spent most of the night tugging on their vests, adjusting their ties, buttoning/unbuttoning their jackets, shaking out their leg (not sure what that was for…internal shifting of something??). </p>

<p>S has blue blazer and grey herringbone blazer, both from Jos. Banks during their sales. Like other nice clothing stores, they do the alterations for an excellent fit.</p>

<p>We also like Men’s Wearhouse. I agree so much with the fit being important. A nice suit that need alternations just doesn’t cut it. </p>

<p>In the future an expensive suit will be important, but I have a son who runs across campus in suits and tuxes. He has slid across asphalt, and slipped down stairs. I bought him some Eccos-those shoes are comfortable. I think the falls were before Eccos-when he was wearing stiffer dress shoes.</p>

<p>I also Love the reward coupons at the Wearhouse.</p>

<p>Black suits are handy for weddings and funerals, but I agree with the others khakis and a blazer are good for nearly everything. Dh got a nice silk jacket from Travelsmith if you don’t want the navy blue blazer. <a href=“http://www.travelsmith.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1609&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C251%2C356&iProductID=1609&sortBy=0[/url]”>http://www.travelsmith.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1609&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C251%2C356&iProductID=1609&sortBy=0&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>A used suit is great – IF you are more-or-less some average size. Otherwise, you could spend the rest of your life hounding Good Will or whatever. Just not worth it to me. I’d have better luck finding the holy grail.</p>

<p>My son wore both his blazer/khaki outfits and his suit his freshman year at Cornell. I think the suit mostly got worn for lacrosse road trips – the guys travel dressed – but the blazer and khakis were worn for frat dinners, presentations etc. He may have worn the suit for group presentations but I think he would have been OK with the blazer. You can always do dress grey slacks with the navy blazer to dress it up a bit.</p>

<p>I think the navy blazer is the way to go, but in addition to khaki pants, I’d buy a pair of nice gray dress pants to go with the blazer for a “dressier” look.</p>

<p>Oops. I just noticed I repeated what the above poster suggested. Great minds think alike.</p>

<p>This topic came up a while back and I made the following comments:</p>

<p>A suit for a college student:</p>

<p>In theory you should have two suits: one medium or dark (think charcoal) grey and one blue (or black). If you can’t afford two, go for the grey. A point no one has mentioned is shoes. With a grey suit, get a pair of brown lace up dress shoes (in a medium brown color…not dark brown). It’s very British. A wing tip or cap toe oxford will work well. Buy shoes with a leather sole. Do not buy dress shoes with composite (plastic) or rubberized soles. Typically, non leather soles will make your feet sweat. As long as they are properly shined, men don’t seem to care much about shoes, but women will definitely notice a good pair of shoes. I like Allan Edmonds, but they’re expensive ($250+). With care, they will last a life-time and can be sent back to the factory and re-finished. </p>

<p>Depending on your height and weight, two or three button suits are your choices. If you have a thick body, you’d be better off in a two button suit. With a thick mid section, you need to have more dress shirt showing to draw your eyes away from your waistline. Depending on the cut, a three button suit may make you look bigger than you are… And no David Letterman double breasted suits. Pinstripe suits are great, but not if you only have one suit to your name. </p>

<p>Material: 100% Wool or a mix of wool and cashmere. Steer clear of wool and polyester blends. They feel cheap. If you feel the material, it will feel stiff and plastic-icky. </p>

<p>Fit: Suits typically come in short, regular and long sizes. Go to a good men’s store and ask the salesman or tailor what your size is. Once you know your size, try a suit on to see what it looks like on you in the mirror. A suit coat should cover your butt and no more. Using your hands as a guide, cup them at your sides and the bottom the suit jacket should match your cupped hand. This is a rough measure. If your jacket looks too long or short, ask to try on the same suit size in the remaining lengths. </p>

<p>Sleeve length: A suit jacket should show a quarter inch or so cuff. When shopping for a suit, always wear a long sleeve dress shirt that has your correct sleeve length. While in front of the mirror, bend your arm in a 90 degree angle to see how much extra material your sleeve has. Too much material just looks bad.</p>

<p>While being fitted, check in the mirror to see if the back of the jacket is puckered below the collar. If it is, it means that the collar needs to be adjusted by having the tailor pull up the material. A lot of tailors and stores don’t like doing this because it’s time consuming and costly. The tailor needs to disassemble the collar to make the adjustment. That costs money. You can spend a lot of money on an off the rack suit, but if it doesn’t fit smoothly across your back, it will look like a cheap suit. And a cheap suit can look like a really expensive suit if you get it fitted properly. Your call… If you need to pay extra for this service, it is worth it.</p>

<p>Trousers: Full or half break? If you’re tall, a full break may work. Trousers (cuffed or not) are finished at an angle from front to back. Wear a decent pair of shoes when being fitted so the tailor has an idea of where to make the break. A full break starts at the front covering your laces and angles back to your shoe’s heel (almost dragging on the ground). This tends to bunch up a lot of material at the base of your feet. Great if you’re tall, but for the rest of us, a half break will do. Both start at the front, but the half break rises higher than your heel by about an inch. </p>

<p>Side vents, center vent or no vents: Most two button suits have a center vent; three button suits will have no vents or side vents. If you have a big butt, go for a center vent or side vents. No vents work with a slender build. The big problem with a no vent suit is when you have your hand or hands in your pockets. The suit coat will bunch up over your butt. If you have a no vent suit, practice your Prince Charles hands behind your back moves. </p>

<p>Pleats or no pleats: If your waist size is no more than 32” and you have no tummy bulge, a plain front trouser will work for you. For the vast majority of men, a single or double pleated pair of trouser will be more flattering (and comfortable).</p>

<p>Dress shirts: White, blue or pink work best. Guys think that a pink dress shirt is less than manly. Trust me; women love a good pink dress shirt. No button down collared dress shirts. All cotton medium spread point collars works for most men. Avoid a wide spread collar shirt. These shirts were designed for double breasted suits and Windsor knotted ties. Cuff links? Way too dressy and fussy at your age. A simple barrel cuff will do. Stay away from stripes and multi colored strip shirts. Very hard to match up color wise with a tie and suit…</p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>acinva–I second the grey slacks for a dressier option with the blazer. Forgot to mention it.</p>

<p>michuncle: I have never cared for pink shirts. “And ain’t I a woman?” to quote Sojourner Truth. All shades of blue are extremely nice, however. Light blue with dark pattern ties, dark blue with yellow or gold pattern ties. Spiffy!</p>

<p>Michuncle – quite extensive sartorial advice. But for a late teens/early 20’s kid your advice is extremely conservative.</p>

<p>If this kid is thinking of going into advertising, the film industry, dot com…I’m not sure they’ll even interview him if he comes in with a grey suit, white shirt, and brown shoes!</p>

<p>(And the “Allen” in “Allen Edmonds” is an “E” not an “A”. Especially good shoes for hard to fit very thin or very wide feet. But…I think they cost more than Anxiousmom may have been planning to spend on the whole outfit!)</p>

<p>When son went to college we put his dress clothes and shoes, socks, ties, belt in a zippered suit bag and it was hung in the closet. It was perfect because it kept everything together and “safe”. This gave him a place where these things belonged and he managed to keep it complete.</p>

<p>Sax, that’s an excellent suggestion. I will definitely do the same for s going to college.</p>

<p>We have always done what Sax recommended. S has one suit bag with the full tux gear, and another with the suit, belt, two shirts and accompanying ties. He just took the suit bag with him to his summer program (which has several performances), which made scrambling around for the pieces at the last minute moot. I liked that.</p>

<p>Sorry about misspelling “Allen Edmunds”…</p>

<p>Re: conservative advice</p>

<p>Guilty as charged! Since the middle of the last century (at least), a suit is a suit. Two button/three button single breasted. Double breasted. Vented or not. Wide or narrow lapels… Pleated or plain front trousers…. Cuffs or plain bottoms. The only major changes were the introduction of synthetic materials and manufacturing country of origin. From your teens to your last breath, a matching jacket and trousers makes up a suit (vest optional). Whatever the age of the wearer or the suit style, a good fit is a necessity. An ill fitting suit, like porn, is something that people will recognize. It’s a uniform.</p>

<p>Dress shoes: lace ups and leather. No sneakers masquerading as dress shoes. There are decent leather dress shoes that don’t cost a car payment. I used Allen Edmonds as a fine example of a quality dress shoe. Let your budget be your guide. </p>

<p>Some industries are more casual than others (though advertising and the business end of the entertainment industry is “Armani land”). Think Ari in HBO’s Entourage. Anybody can dress down. Dressing up takes some effort and style…</p>

<p>I like a good pink dress shirt…especially if it has a hint of rose to it.</p>

<p>I haven’t read all the posts, but I thought I would throw in my two cents.</p>

<p>We purchased a suit for my son while still in high school – he has needed to wear it on several occasions and plans to take it with him to college. We decided to purchase him a suit that was known to travel well and so we got him the microfiber suit from TravelSmith. He got a black suit (his choice – and it has worked out well).</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.travelsmith.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1608&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C251%2C466&iProductID=1608&sortBy=0[/url]”>http://www.travelsmith.com/jump.jsp?itemID=1608&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C251%2C466&iProductID=1608&sortBy=0&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>you buy the jacket and pants separately – but they match and do make a suit.</p>

<p>I know that “microfiber” sounds yucky – but I wanted something that he could use a little water to wipe off a stain. The fabric is very, very nice – it easily compares to wool suits costing the same or slightly more. I am not going to pretend that it is the same quality as a $1000 wool suit – but I think it is a good selection for a college student.</p>

<p>The nice thing is that this suit is easy to care for – my son just takes it out of his luggage, shakes it out and hangs it up and it looks great. Even after hours in Egypt at a reception, his suit looked great. </p>

<p>He had it professionally altered and then bought a two dress shirts and a nice t-shirt that can be worn with it – and he found 4 expensive ties at the thrift store ($1 each).</p>

<p>Our thought was that the suit should look good enough for a job interview, funeral, scholarship reception, etc. Be easy to care for (I know he wouldn’t iron it even if it was totally wrinkled), be comfortable to wear and have a color and style that will last.</p>

<p>As far as thrift stores – this can work out very well, depending on your time frame. We shop thrift stores often and I am always looking to fill in pieces of my son’s wardrobe. both my sons have sports coats (winter and summer weight for each) that they like, two are Jos. A. Banks and the others are Ralph Lauren. We did pay to have each professionally altered – and they look fantastic (the personal fit makes the difference). My younger son has a dark charcoal grey suit by Hart, Schaffner and Mark that still had the $750 price tag from Dillards hanging on it – we figured they must have made a mistake with the alteration. I can tell you – he definitely has the best looking suit of any 7th grader at his school.</p>