Florida v. Zimmerman

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<p>“Because he thought Martin was a “punk” who “always got away” and he wanted to hold Martin until the police showed up.”</p>

<p>My impression exactly, and I indicated so few pages back. Calmom I really appreciate your clear and knowledgeable posts, thank you for educating us. I think even more after hearing about GZ riding with the police, applying for police jobs that his goal in pursuing TM was to detain him for the police. He wanted to be the hero and show the Sanford PD how valuable to the force he could be and should be hired to be one of them. I believe that was GZ’s state of mind. He lacks any insight or empathy for how others might feel, (ie. his statement to Hannity that TM wasn’t running out of fear due to being stalked) therefore could not imagine that TM would not permit being detained. I still think he pulled his gun to intimidate and detain TM. Showed his machismo.</p>

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<p>If Zimmerman was holding Martin, and Martin was trying to get free, he MIGHT have Zimmerman’s DNA under his fingernails.</p>

<p>If he was hitting Zimmerman with a hand or fist or banging his head on the ground, I wouldn’t expect him to have DNA under his fingernails.</p>

<p>Nothing here that’s inconsistent with Zimmerman’s account.</p>

<p>The point blank gunshot supports Zimmerman’s story.</p>

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<p>Also interesting that the Judge ruled that the jury could be told about his course work for a class while he was attending CC that covered literature about how to excel as a witness.</p>

<p>I don’t know if that was introduced to the jury today, but the judge ruled that it could be.</p>

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<p>maybe you should read GZ’s explanation of what he saw</p>

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<p>“Because he thought Martin was a “punk” who “always got away” and he wanted to hold Martin until the police showed up.”</p>

<p>“My impression exactly, and I indicated so few pages back. Calmom I really appreciate your clear and knowledgeable posts, thank you for educating us. I think even more after hearing about GZ riding with the police, applying for police jobs that his goal in pursuing TM was to detain him for the police. He wanted to be the hero and show the Sanford PD how valuable to the force he could be and should be hired to be one of them. I believe that was GZ’s state of mind. He lacks any insight or empathy for how others might feel, (ie. his statement to Hannity that TM wasn’t running out of fear due to being stalked) therefore could not imagine that TM would not permit being detained. I still think he pulled his gun to intimidate and detain TM. Showed his machismo.”</p>

<p>I know that you’re emotionally overwrought about this, but why not stick to the facts of the case as we understand them rather than engaging in idle speculation?</p>

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<p>riprorin, you should try grabbing a cooperative friend’s head and pretend to pound it against the cement. </p>

<p>What part of his head would you grab? Zimmerman had short hair, so that’s out. Would you grab the sides of his head? would you grab his ears? </p>

<p>Where would your fingers be as you pounded a struggling person’s head into the cement?</p>

<p>It seems to me that either you would end up with some of your friend’s skin and hair under your nails if you grabbed your friend by the ears, OR your fingers would get pretty banged up by their own contact with the cement if you held the head by the sides. I would assume that Zimmerman would have not been cooperative while this was going on, so I would think that his ears or the side of his head would have shown scratches from Martin’s nails.</p>

<p>But there was no sign of any of that. Nothing on Martin’s hands, nothing under his nails, no scratches on the side of Zimmerman’s head, no injuries to his ears…</p>

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<p>add to the class on how to excel as a witness GZ also had a personal consultant/coach to aid in his crafting his story, his father the magistrate. Robert Zimmerman is enraged that this was brought to trial and is expressing vitriol, claiming those who supported the investigation and subsequent trial were the real racists. Yep his words.</p>

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<p>My quotes come from GZ’s statements to the police. GZ is the one who used words like “punks”, “a-holes” and “always got away” – MORE than once, and on tape.</p>

<p>As a matter of law, GZ’s words can be considered as evidence of his state of mind at the time. </p>

<p>Those particular facts – what GZ said to the dispatcher and what he said to the investigating officer – are one of the few things in this case that are undisputed.</p>

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<p>“maybe you should read GZ’s explanation of what he saw”</p>

<p>I think it is safe to say that most here have read that account. Not sure what you think that was there that would be very suspicious.</p>

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<p>“My quotes come from GZ’s statements to the police. GZ is the one who used words like “punks”, “a-holes” and “always got away” – MORE than once, and on tape.”</p>

<p>About Zimmerman:</p>

<p>“He wanted to be the hero…”
“He lacks any insight or empathy for how others might feel…”
“I still think he pulled his gun to intimidate and detain TM. Showed his machismo.”</p>

<p>This is all useless, idle speculation.</p>

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<p>well if some posters aren’t interested in what they deem useless speculation they are entitled to ignore said useless speculation.</p>

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<p>I didn’t write that stuff or even quote anyone else who wrote that stuff.</p>

<p>You have posted a series of posts directed specifically at me. </p>

<p>If you are concerned with facts, I suggested that you can start with paying attention to who said what.</p>

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<p>^^</p>

<p>I was replying to a post by lindz126. I only have a reply button. How do you quote?</p>

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<p>Just heard the interview with Hannity. Why does anyone think Martin’s DNA should be on the gun? Zimmerman said that when his jacket lifted up, his gun became visible and Martin reached for it. He never said that Martin touched it. Since Martin was hitting him in the face, banging his head on the ground, and telling him he was going to kill him, I think he had ample reason to fear for his life.</p>

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<p>There was testimony on Tuesday by a friend of Zimmerman’s who said that Zimmerman told him that Martin had grabbed the gun.</p>

<p>Zimmerman told different versions of his story at different times to different people.</p>

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<p>Oh, second hand information. Maybe Zimmerman said that Martin grabbed at the gun and his friend misunderstood him.</p>

<p>I don’t see how anyone could watch the interview with Hannity and say Zimmerman lacked sympathy or empathy. Considering Martin was apparently trying to kill him, I thought he was quite empathetic.</p>

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<p>I just saw the interview with Zimmerman. Hadn’t seen it before.</p>

<p>A couple of observations. His name confused the issue. The man is not white.</p>

<p>He is vile, repulsive, weird, inappropriate and scary. There is some humanity chip missing.</p>

<p>I am watching the interview now riporin. He isn’t empathetic. He is unequivocally not sorry or remorseful.</p>

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<p>riprorin, you’re picking facts you like and ignoring others. GZ’s friend spoke with GZ about this shortly after the events and wrote a book about it. </p>

<p>And riprorin: you should cease accusing others of having prejudged and claiming you haven’t. You’ve posted numerous statements which contain the unstated assumption that GZ was “jumped” and that everything he has stated about the event is true. For example:

Hey - no prejudging there, eh? :)</p>

<p>To quote something you need to put {quote} in front of it and {/quote} after it, only with brackets - instead of those other things - { }</p>

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<p>Wow, are you talking about the Hannity interview that’s on now? Sorry, I don’t see that at all. Are you being serious?</p>

<p>I believe that his father is white and his mother is Hispanic. The media originally called him white and then they called him white-Hispanic. I believe he identifies himself as Hispanic.</p>

<p>I’m not sure what white-Hispanic is, but to fit the narrative, white had to be in the description.</p>

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<p>riprorin, you’re picking facts you like and ignoring others. GZ’s friend spoke with GZ about this shortly after the events and wrote a book about it. </p>

<p>And riprorin: you should cease accusing others of having prejudged and claiming you haven’t. You’ve posted numerous statements which contain the unstated assumption that GZ was “jumped” and that everything he has stated about the event is true. For example:
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Considering Martin was apparently trying to kill him
Hey - no prejudging there, eh? </p>

<p>To quote something you need to put {quote} in front of it and {/quote} after it, only with brackets - [ ] instead of those other things - { }</p>

<p>That’s an inconvenient way to quote. </p>

<p>Note I said “apparently”. </p>

<p>I don’t know if Zimmerman was jumped or not, but the evidence suggests it to me.</p>