<p>The recruited athletes I knew (or knew of), with only a few exceptions, were slight above-average at best. By that I mean ~3.5 UW with 28-32 ACT; obviously, that’s not awful by any stretch of the imagination, but that’s state flagship quality at one of the best schools in the country.</p>
<p>0% chance…I haven’t heard anything more ridiculous than that in my whole life. Look, the college admissions process has been hyped up way too much. It seems that kids who don’t have a 4.0 can’t get into any selective schools at all. THIS IS NOT TRUE. You obviously have strong extracirriculars and test scores, especially for a URM. 3.8 weighted is a pretty dam good gpa. In fact, one of my friends who had the same gpa got into ED cornell a week ago. And he had a 1800 sat. So stop worrying and paying attention to what people like waverly say. I wouldn’t be surprised if you receive a letter of acceptance in a few months.</p>
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Then why would the college pick someone with low stats vs. someone with better stats who probably has a better chance of success? We are talking about a school with a 14% selection rate, with only 1% of matriculating students having a 3.0-3.24GPA on a 4.0(UW) scale.</p>
<p>Actually it was just over 9% last year and will probably be a tad lower this. </p>
<p>I do believe that many are caught up in the " holistic" rhetoric so many of the colleges promote. The point is to do what Erin’ dad did, look at the stats! 1%! Who/what do you think you need to be to make it into that small group?</p>
<p>And that’s 1% of the admitted students, not 1% of the applicant pool!</p>
<p>Well, to add insult to injury, I have basically the same stats so the OP and got cold turkey rejected from Princeton WITH legacy. Rejected. Not even deferred. I’m trying my luck at Yale with legacy as well, but I don’t expect ANYTHING. I think my chances are probably 1 in 25. I’m also applying to Reed, but again, fruitless. I’ll probably end up going to UNC/NC State because of my grades, as far as I can tell, they matter more than anything.</p>
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<p>I’m sorry to disappoint you, and I mean that with the utmost sincerity, but there are many students in a similar situation with much higher stats.</p>
<p>I personally know many kids with medical issues and learning disabilities that were later diagnosed that ended up with great grades regardless.</p>
<p>Also, those kids with low stats getting into those schools ARE either hooked or at an extremely competitive shool where having anything above a 3.0 is considered top 10%.</p>
<p>Btw, I am a full jewish, part hispanic kid with multiple learning disabilities which were finally (after years of suspicion) only diagnosed and treated starting halfway through last school year. Yet I still managed a 3.99 UW GPA, a 4.8 weighted GPA, a 2330 SAT, and pretty competitive ECs. Yet I was flat out rejected from my top choice school, and I don’t expect to be accepted at schools like Dartmouth. So if they don’t take someone with your stats PLUS a near-perfect GPA, chances of them taking someone like that with a low GPA are not very high. In fact, it is almost certainly not going to happen.</p>
<p>People here aren’t being mean. You asked for opinions and put yourself out there with all your stats, yet when HONEST feedback came back, showing THE MOST LIKELY OUTCOME of this, you went on the defensive and got rude. We are merely trying to help you so you don’t get your hopes up unnecessarily, and so you can focus on schools that you are more likely to be admitted to. For all we know you might actually get into one of these schools, but the chances are still pretty darn slim. You need to be realistic here.</p>
<p>PLEASE get off college confidential this instant. It will just make you feel like **** about yourself when 3/4 of these people are delusional and incorrect.</p>
<p>A few weeks ago I posted a thread asking if I have any chance of getting into UChicago and everyone pretty much laughed at me.</p>
<p>I got a 1900 on the SAT, 580 in math section, so by UChicago statistics, I literally had a 1% chance of acceptance because they only let in 1% of applicants who had a math SAT score in the 500 range. I have an average GPA of 4.5 weighted (nothing compared to other applicants), 2 local awards, 3 clubs, 400 volunteer hours, no UMR or sad story, no athletics, I just showed immense interest in the university and I got deferred EA. </p>
<p>By everyone’s standards I should have got flat-out rejected from UChicago, but they deferred me.</p>
<p>You have beyond incredible awards and EC’s that even Harvard would be satisfied with. Your stats make up for your GPA and colleges will take that into consideration!</p>
<p>Please get off this site, relax, put your heart into your supplement essays, and let the universities you applied to judge you, not these people.</p>
<p>Apply the the University of Miami or Boston College or NYU just in case, but stop worrying! What’s done is done and you cannot change that. </p>
<p>I wish you the best of luck, and I know that no matter where you go, any college should be privileged to have you.</p>
<p>@Mango15
- A 4.5 is A LOT different from a 3.0UW/3.88 weighted GPA
- They are MUCH more likely to forgive low SATs, which are one day in a student’s life, than they are to forgive 4 years of low class grades
- No offense, but defferals in many cases mean nothing. A unhooked white girl in my grade with the equivalent of a 3.7 UW GPA (ranked about 180/430) was deferred from Yale this year, along with both the other kids who applied there. Every kid from my school who applied to Duke, Dartmouth, Harvard, and Princeton was deffered this year (apart from the one or two accepte). NOT ONE kid was rejected from those schools, and there were like 20 of them who make up the deferrals. I can GUARANTEE 90% will not get in because they simply do not have the grades or stats to get in. Some of them even admitted their apps weren’t that great and said they only got deferred because no one was being rejected. As a matter of fact, 8 kids applied EA to UChicago. One was accepted, the other 7 were deferred. Many of these schools simply don’t give out many rejections in the early round unless a kid has no hope in hell of getting in. But being deferred does not mean you will get in. Sorry to tell you, and I really hope you do end up getting in, but saying you got deferred (not waitlisted, just deferred, meaning they either didn’t get to an app or wanted to hold off rejecting someone just in case they look better compared to others who apply regular… because otherwise why would they take someone later when they didn’t want them at first, or why wouldn’t they just accept someone they really loved?) does not make you a adequate authority to tell this kid he’s definitely going to get into schools when his stats imply he very well may not get in.</p>
<p>For someone with a 3.3-3.6 UW GPA, it’s not completely possible to get into a top school. Here’s a bunch of low GPA admits I found last month after a little lurking (mostly on the “Where did your 3.3-3.6 kid go” thread)</p>
<p>"3.6 UW GPA
2110 SAT</p>
<p>In:
UCLA
UCSC
UCSB
Cal Poly SLO
USC
University of Oregon
University of Washington"</p>
<p>“child graduated in '07
3.5 (weighted and unweighted)
1400 superscored m/v, 1340 single sitting
accepted and attending U of Chicago”</p>
<p>"My son’s GPA was a little over 3.6, but it was his art/music classes that brought it over. I would guess that his core GPA was closer to 3.3. His ACT was 33. That said:</p>
<p>Accepted:
Carnegie Mellon (like S1732, this was his 1st choice, but could not attend due to large gap in financial aid)</p>
<p>3.4 UW/3.9W 9 APs/IBs, 31 ACT - Received NROTC Scholarship to University of Michigan"</p>
<p>"Decision: Accepted (Cornell)</p>
<p>Pick one:
ILR!! </p>
<p>Objective:
SAT I (breakdown): 690 (CR) 650 (math) 720 (writing)
ACT: n/a
SAT II (if submitted): 690 (US history) 640 (math 1)
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 3.66
No hooks"</p>
<p>"Decision: Accepted to CALS (Cornell)</p>
<p>Objective:
SAT I (breakdown): 2270 (710 CR, 760 math, 800 writing)
ACT: 34
SAT II: 650 math II, 680 US history, 680 chemistry, 740 biology
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 3.5 i believe, or something equally unappealing
(Race: Asian)"</p>
<p>"Decision: Accepted (Duke)</p>
<p>Trinity College of Arts and Sciences</p>
<p>Objective:
SAT I (breakdown): None
ACT: 34
SAT II: BioM(720) Lit.(710)
Unweighted GPA (out of 4.0): 3.59 (YIKES!)</p>
<p>white"</p>
<p>"A friend of mine got accepted to Cornell’s Hospitality School ED.</p>
<p>He had a 1980 SAT, 3.48 GPA, and a rank of 48/360ish"</p>
<p>“My child was admitted to the U of Chicago with at high school cum of less than 3.6 and SATs of 1340, below the majority of other applicants”</p>
<p>“3.49 UW, 4.24 W, 2290, full IB, 11 APs
Accepted: UChicago EA, Tufts”</p>
<p>"3.3 UW, 3.9ish W, 1500/2300 SAT</p>
<p>Accepted: U Alabama, Tulane, Occidental (merit scholarships for these ones), UNC, USC spring admit, <strong>Rice</strong>"</p>
<p>"87 UW (academic courses), 92 unweighted (school method), 97 weighted, 2140 SAT, top 6%, 6 APS (7 if Physics C counts as two)</p>
<p>Accepted: U of Chicago (EA), Tufts"</p>
<p>With that said though, it’s going to be very very hard with a 3.0 GPA. Although it might have been doable with somewhere in the 3.3-3.6 range, a 3.0 just seems far too low. Still, you never know…</p>
<p>Obviously, born2dance, you’re ten times the person I am. Bravo. Your LD(s?) didn’t have an impact on your grades, so why bring them up? Evidently, they weren’t anything debilitating enough to make it impossible to sit and study for hours or complete handwritten papers (as they were for me), so you are NOT in the same situation as me whatsoever.</p>
<p>“You succeeded where I failed so I’m going to denigrate your achievements and devalue your opinion because you showed me up in the middle of my pity party” -OP.</p>
<p>Sent from my HUAWEI-U9000 using CC App</p>
<p>Actually, they were. It is none of your business what the specifics were, but let’s just say that when the neuropsyche report came back, the administration deliberated for literally 3 minutes and 27 seconds (I timed it) before they immediately offered me accomodations. Their average deliberation time is 1 month at my school. And though I chose not to bring them up in my common app, my counselor convinced me to allow her to write 2-3 sentences about it in her reccommendation. </p>
<p>The point of all of this is, when they have so many excellent kids with near-perfect-everything stats, they have very little reason to accept people with very low stats in one area.</p>
<p>Also, when it comes to ADHD in particular, they aren’t so forgiving. They should technically take it more at face value, but because it has the stigma of being “overdiagnosed,” they usually aren’t so forgiving about it. Human instinct outweighs political correct-ness, and they wonder sometimes if in ADHD case is just an excuse. Additionally, if it is so bad that it drastically affected a student’s grades (like you apparently explained it in your common app/counselor letter, I’m guessing), they sometimes consider it risky to admit that student, wondering if it will affect them at college, as well. All assurances of “it’s been treated and is barely there anymore” don’t always put their minds at ease. Yet again, it shouldn’t affect their decision, but subconciously or not, it does. All of the above comes from several family friends who are adcoms at pretty high up schools. When I was considering whether or not to include my LD stuff, we consulted a few of them on the matter and that is what they had to say.</p>
<p>P.S. The ONLY reason I brought that all up is because you said the following:
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<p>Not looking for a pity party, jerk. I merely asked what other members thought of the importance of my first semester–I wasn’t asking for someone to attempt to show me up.</p>
<p>And, by the by, the reason they’d accept someone with such a glaring comparative weakness would be for his or her potential, or because they were far more interesting or brought more to the proverbial table than the typical East Asian/4.0/2300/hospital volunteer applicant. That’s it. Please don’t act like you could possibly discourage me from applying somewhere I know I could contribute, when you haven’t even gone through the same things I have. Thanks, boo</p>
<p>Showed up? The main point I was making was that I don’t think even I have a great chance at Ivies, so it seems like your confidence may be a bit misplaced.</p>
<p>And you very well may have great potential, but in the 5 minutes they take to look over everyone’s app, they aren’t likely to see that when they are surrounded by thousands of kids with perfect or near-perfect stats.</p>
<p>But you know what, do whatever makes you happy. I hope for your sake you get in, but as everyone has said, you can’t put all your eggs in the basket of getting into a top school, because it isn’t very likely, though there is always the possibility.</p>
<p>I didn’t put all my eggs in one basket. Thank the Lawd that I’m not as stupid as you seem to think I am… I received a full ride from Alabama, a lot of money from SMU, and got into Fordham and Illinois (while many of my classmates with far better grades were either rejected or deferred). So, in a word, no. I have other plans, and I’d still be very happy if I didn’t get into my reachy schools. I’m applying ED II somewhere, and hopefully that will somewhat negate my apparently numerous shortcomings.</p>
<p>OP, check this thread out: <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/649604-i-got-without-3-7-gpa-club-1.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/649604-i-got-without-3-7-gpa-club-1.html</a></p>
<p>There are many kids who got into top 30 universities with low-end GPAs in the 3.2-3.6 range, so it’s not entirely impossible. However, if I were you, I’d still expect rejection but hope for acceptance.</p>
<p>Okay. I guess this is the conclusion of this thread:</p>
<p>Yes, OP, unfortunately your chances aren’t that great. However, I still encourage you to apply for your reaches. As has been mentioned many times on CC, you honestly don’t know until you apply. I think it’s very harsh to say that you have zero chance because honestly, none of us are admissions officers; therefore, none of us really have the right to say that you have zero chance.</p>
<p>Bear in mind, though, that it will be difficult. Don’t expect too much, but still shoot for the schools you want to shoot for. Best of luck :)</p>
<p>I was rereading some old threads, and nerdyasiankid mentioned this one. I just figured I’d follow through and smugly let y’all know that, after a pretty decent first semester, I was accepted to Vanderbilt EDII–over kids it must’ve broken their bleeding hearts to deny (y’know, the 4.0 + 32-34 + generic EC type). Anyways, good luck to the rest of you, and I hope you have nearly as wonderful of a college admissions experience as I have!</p>