@Chrchill Also – any ranking that has Penn higher than 8 is also suspect ab initio.
Oh please lol here we go again, i m afraid you are wrong again. Penn can easily occupy any spot in the #6-#10 range after HYPSM. Penn is firmly a #6 -#10 school, as are Caltech, Columbia and Chicago.
I find way more suspect rankings that place Chicago or any other non-HYPSM school in the top 5 or above.
Also harvard is far from destined to be number one at everything. There are many things Harvard is not number one at. The notion that the validity of an undergraduate ranking is determined by whether Harvard is top or not, is rather ludicrous. Especially when it comes to undergrad.