Really - counseling for drinking too much one night? Better start hiring counselors to service the fraternities.
i couldn’t possibly know what California’s sentencing guidelines are regarding drug offenses…like sex-related offenses that range from prostitution, to solicitation, to assault, to rape…I’m sure drug offenses have a broad range and a broad range of sentencing guidelines. Since many drug offenses are victim-less it is probably not a good comparison on surface. If you have information that would equate drug offenses to sex offenses and California sentencing tendencies I’ll be happy to read and formulate an opinion. I will say drug offenders aren’t on a lifetime sex offender list that impacts their education, employment and housing for the rest of their life so with that regard some would consider that a stiffer penalty that some amount of jail time for a first offense.
I just googled sexual assault convictions and sentences and it’s difficult to weed out all the adults who assaulted minors and the adults who have multiple sexual offenses, but here’s a couple recent ones first offense, two adults…the first one had THREE victims apparently.
here’s another one from this week:
but you can look for other cases, first time offense, two adults, yourself.
“Do you suppose the sentence would have been the same had Brock’s victim been a young man? I don’t.”
Agree. Have there been similar cases involving 2 men?
2019hope: Thank you for posting the police reports, which I just looked over quickly. When I can stand to, I’ll read more closely.
The thing that really struck me is that while the rapist is restrained elsewhere, two drunk guys wonder by, see an unconscious, half naked woman, and their first inclination is to try and help her. They turn her on her side, presumably so she won’t choke. They don’t molest her. They do this while intoxicated. I don’t believe the police tested them, but they are described as smelling of alcohol, etc.
There are some good men in this story. I like to think they are the norm. … because I want to believe rape culture will disappear some day.
@alh FWIW I absolutely believe that the guys who helped her are the norm and rapists are in the extreme minority. Unfortunately though, we don’t punish rapists really in this country so they will continue to do it over and over.
Is becoming a registered sex offender automatic with this conviction? the victim’s letter was so moving. poor girl. How wonderful that she has such a supportive and loving family and boyfriend.
Momofthreeboys: Did you see my post #241? I really am hoping you respond.
I need to catch up on all these posts but just coming on here to say that I’m watching a story about it on the national news tonight and they show some video footage from the court room, I believe from the sentencing, and Brock is sitting there chewing gum. It looks so callous and disrespectful. Ugh.
Sure, I read her victim statement and it was well written. Of course I would be devastated if one of my friends got crazy drunk and assaulted by someone in our group and I would want to support them through the process in anyway I could but then I would and could not stand bye and watch a friend get crazy drunk. My H took our drunk friend who assaulted his wife out of the restaurant by force and drove him home and I took the woman to our house. I’m sure the victim understood what sentencing guidelines meant…if she didn’t she was ill advised. Given what happened to her, I give her huge kudos for sticking the process through to the end.
Binge drinking is a problem that may or may not be clinically defined as alcoholism and it would be stupid not to understand that something really horrible can happen to you when you are out of control. Some people are lucky and friends or family take care of them or they are just lucky and don’t get robbed or assaulted or hit by a car staggering home…or they are lucky and they don’t get disorderly or combative or assault someone or get in a car and drive and the worse thing that happens is they have a massive hangover the next day and maybe don’t remember what happened. We’ll never solve the binge drinking issues without accepting that it is a problem and a contributing factor in many, many assaults and rapes.
6 months jail, 3 years probation and sex registry is not acceptable to people on this thread…what do you think the sentence should be? >>>>>>>>
My automatic thought: 10 years prison, (5 years probation, sex registry)
Re: #270
For what it is worth, the California Penal Code specifies the following:
Assault with intent to commit rape or sexual penetration: 2, 4, or 6 years
Sexual penetration of unconscious victim: 3, 6, or 8 years
Sexual penetration of intoxicated victim: 3, 6, or 8 years
Lowest numbers, concurrent = 3 years
Middle numbers, concurrent = 6 years
Middle numbers, consecutive = 16 years
Highest numbers, consecutive = 22 years
269 Thanks for responding.
The following is a really personal question. I wouldn’t ask it in real life, but this is a message board. Did something terrible happen to you or someone dear to you after binge drinking to the point of being out of control. I know one of your sons’ friends was falsely accused. That isn’t my question. I am asking if you or someone close to you was ever a survivor of assault.
It’s an intrusive question and obviously you don’t have to answer. I’m just curious.
5 million people, in 2 days, have read the victim’s letter according to buzzfeed.
That’s a lot of people.
This sentence could be a wake up call.
Probably not… But I’m optimistic.
Even 2 counts of rape of an adult in California probably would not have gotten him 10 years in prison I think as a first offense. But maybe a criminal lawyer in Cali could answer the question best. I think involuntary manslaughter in Cali is 4 years but I might be wrong. My son and I were looking some of this stuff for a class HE is taking this summer.
"6 months jail, 3 years probation and sex registry is not acceptable to people on this thread…what do you think the sentence should be? >>>>>>>>
My automatic thought: 10 years prison, (5 years probation, sex registry)"
Well I can sit here and say he should be castrated and then shot at dawn but our collective opinions mean nothing. I’m interested in hearing from those in the legal world who deal with these types of cases whether this is a typical sentence. My suspicion is that it is not terribly out of the norm for a first offender, no prior record, supportive family blah blah blah. Note I am not arguing what should be, but what currently is. But I’d like real DAs, prosecutors etc to weigh in.
This honestly sounds like a repeat of the affluenza case with rape substituted for vehicular manslaughter. A priveliged self-obsessed Caucasian male with even more self-obsessed parents getting the benefit of the doubt because the judicial system deems that people that look like him are worth “saving” while people that don’t aren’t.
The sentence is a joke, and I hope the victim finds a way to regain what they’ve lost from this.
PThe thing that really struck me is that while the rapist is restrained elsewhere, two drunk guys wonder by, see an unconscious, half naked woman, and their first inclination is to try and help her. ".
Can you clarify - were the bikers drunk? I hadn’t heard that detail.
She’s done a lot of good making her letter public. She’s so brave.
Apologies to all for not reading the 270 posts before mine…I just don’t have time right now… so hopefully I’m not repeating anybody. But:
Why on earth do people like this Brock kid and his ignorant family think that this wimpy sentence is a good thing for what he did?
These types fight so hard to get off lightly. And now we ALL know his name, his face, what he did, and the outrage and injustice of his special treatment. It makes me, and I think most people, even angrier at him and at people like him. Sex offender for life? That’s nothing compared to google-his-name-for-life.
If my son did something like this (drunk or not, I do NOT see that as an excuse, personally)…no, I wouldn’t abandon him. But I would allow the book to be thrown at him. He would NOT fight this at trial. He would TAKE his punishment and hopefully become a proper man because of it. And, hopefully, after much personal work and retribution to society and to his victim, his name would not be forever associated with this crime.
Isn’t that really the better outcome for Brock and his like? Doesn’t his very fight show his true colors and character and make us believe even more strongly that he cannot be rehabilitated?
PG: I don’t believe the bikers were drunk. I am talking about a couple of other guys, probably from the same party. They were trying to help her while the bikers sat on the rapist. If I understand the report correctly.
There are at least four, maybe five, good men in this story.