Frankenstorm

[thumper1]

<p>Welcome back Limabeans! So sorry to hear about your house. I hope you have terrific insurance…thank goodness no one was hurt.</p>

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@geeps20

When it does happen, don’t scream out “where’s the help”.

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<p>You obviously believe in a “you’re on your own” society, along with the selfish Randroid lunatics. Thankfully, the vast majority of Americans disagree with you.</p>

<p>We should discuss climate change and the issue of whether or not to rebuild these communities (or at the very least, how to rebuild them in a more resilient manner) but there should never come a time when a disaster strikes an American community and we say “Meh, that’s your problem. Deal with it.” Every American community is subject to the threat of natural disasters, and yes, we’re all in this together.</p>

[bhmomma]

<p>Tom1944- which towns are difficult to access the beach in NJ? On LbI almost every single block dead ends at the beach. Walk across the dune access and you are there. Beach tags on Lbi run 5-7 daily, 20-25 weekly. Seasonals relatively inexpensive, seniors, children and vets are free. I have been to Cape May, wildwood, Stone Harbor, Avalon, Sea Isle, OC, Seaside heights, island beach state park and others. Never had a problem with access. Island beach parking lots can fill up on prime summer weekend days, but with fore planning not undo able.</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>along with the selfish Randroid lunatics</p>

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<p>I take it you use an iPhone?</p>

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<p>issue of whether or not to rebuild these communities (or at the very least, how
to rebuild them in a more resilient manner)</p>

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<p>“Randroid” as a thing has been around far, far longer than the smartphone operating system, and has nothing to do with it.</p>

[mathmom]

<p>limabeans, so sorry to hear about your house, but glad that your family is fine.</p>

<p>I think there are some buildings in places they shouldn’t be. Not just on the coast, but large swathes of the Mississippi/Ohio Rivers if I remember past disasters correctly.</p>

[BCEagle91]

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<p>“Randroid” as a thing has been around far, far longer than the smartphone
operating system. </p>

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<p>Which would be more common usage?</p>

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<p>There is nothing else called “Randroid,” so the only usage is the one I am using. </p>

<p>The term is a derisive portmanteaux of android and Ayn Rand, the terrible writer and worse philosopher, and it refers to her robotic-sounding, slavishly-uncritical followers who have bought into her idea that the highest calling of humanity is to be an obtuse, selfish jerk.</p>

[BCEagle91]

<p>There are all sorts of contortions of android in the iOS/Android wars.</p>

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<p>have bought into her idea that the highest calling of humanity is to be an obtuse,
selfish jerk. </p>

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<p>I see. Apparently you are using an Ad Hominem.</p>

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@BCEagle91

There are all sorts of contortions of android in the iOS/Android wars.

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<p>There has never been a use of “Randroid” to refer to anything related to smartphones. Sorry you misunderstood it, but a quick [url=<a href=“randroid - Google Search”>randroid - Google Search]Google[/url</a>] would have answered your question.</p>

[Deborah_T]

<p>Samsung Galaxy R</p>

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@cartera45

One way to control growth would be for the government to get out of the flood insurance business.

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<p>That’s a bad way to control development, because it penalizes most the people able to afford it the least - family homeowners.</p>

[poetgrl]

<p>Before this thread becomes inappropriately political, just I’m glad everyone here is all right. I’ keep browsing through for names of posters.</p>

<p>Good luck to anyone still in the aftermath. Stay warm.</p>

[limabeans]

<p>Yes, our area was hit really hard. Tons of water, scary high winds (especially when the walls were down), no power for almost a week. Tons of trees falling everywhere like bowling pins. But we had a collective feeling among us here and our community really pulled together. I wasn’t the only one who had major house damage on our street.</p>

[soccerguy315]

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I heard this on the news: “a storm the size of Europe.” Just think about that for a second.

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<p>Here’s a picture from the BBC, of Sandy superimposed on Europe… storm stretches from Dublin to Prague: <a href=“http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63781000/jpg/_63781518_hurricane_sandy_compare976.jpg[/url]”>http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63781000/jpg/_63781518_hurricane_sandy_compare976.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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Funny, in a good way: What group has recent experience organizing people in lower Manhattan, in situations with not much power where a lot of people have to be fed and kept warm? Occupy. Now Occupy has set up a relief effort, Occupy Sandy.

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<p>This is good, b/c Occupy Wall St. had some interesting tweets a few days ago…</p>

<p>“No Subway. No electricity. No chains. #capitalism #sandy #nyc”
“That community you’re experiencing, in the face of crisis? It’s always there. Think about what it is that usually obscures it. #sandy #nyc”
“As capitalism halts, we experience “an exceptional period of mutual support and common care.” ow.ly/eSX4t #sandy #nyc”</p>

[tom1944]

<p>An interesting beach access issue has arisen on Long Beach Island. A $71 million sand replenishment project is planned along the 17-mile island. The state Department of Environmental Protection has insisted that beach access points be provided every quarter mile along the beach as a condition of granting approval for the project. This is to ensure that the public can enjoy the widened beaches that their tax dollars helped pay for. However, many property owners are balking at granting easements for beach access, which is stalling the project.
There is also the issue of towns charging excess fees for beach use which the towns use in the general fund. Beach fees are only supposed to be used to fund beach operations.</p>

[geeps20]

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You obviously believe in a “you’re on your own” society,

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<p>No, but I don’t expect the government to be able to help in a situation like this in a day or 2 like some of the people I see in the news do.</p>

[Iglooo]

<p>^^Thank you for the info about LBI beach. Public access to the beach must have been limited if homeowners are protesting an improved public access. I hope the government holds its ground and makes it happen. We forget how important the infrasturcture is to private property. IMO private property not supported by infrastructure is useless.</p>

<p>I agree about Occuy recovery effort. They seem very good, on the ground, in tune with the local needs. After the concert on Friday, I was about to donate until I saw it was to Red Cross.</p>

[seiclan]

<p>The LBI public beach access issue you are discussing is a very limited part of the island. Most of the island’s beaches are accessible to anyone!!! In our area, Long Beach Township (which is comprised of about 8 towns), only 6-8 people didn’t sign the easement request!</p>

[garland]

<p>Also, below mean high tide line has to be accessible by law–not up to anyone to decide. But people try to block access anyway.</p>