<p>KeyDet read In peace and War and you will see that this debate has been going on for 70 yrs in one way or another. There will still be the same debate going on 70 yrs from now. Kings point has withstood far greater scrutiny than you can muster. And at the end of the day she sails on. And by way when your tossing out numbers include 91% 1st time pass rate on engineers.</p>