General premed advice.

<p>1.) There are no admissions officers on this board. We have two medical student, several experienced premeds, a practicing physician or two, and many, many premeds whose advice you should take with a grain of salt.</p>

<p>2.) The higher you can score on the MCAT and GPA, the better. If you’re looking for a cutoff, then I should perhaps mention that the national averages for people of Hispanic descent are listed on the AAMC website here:
<a href=“http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgparaceeth.htm[/url]”>http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/2005/mcatgparaceeth.htm&lt;/a&gt;. If you have one year left, however, even a 4.0 will only get you to a 3.15.</p>

<p>3.) MIT kids who get admitted to medical school tend to have higher GPA/MCAT scores than the national average; my interpretation is that MIT kids are actually penalized for going to MIT, but this is a controversial interpretation (at least, the MIT kids get pretty unhappy about it).</p>

<p>4.) Your major does not matter, and a double major - especially in two substantially similar fields - will not matter. A physics major (I’m assuming it’s heavily quantitative) may turn out to be attractive to Wall St. firms. I am not sure how they treat MIT grads, and I don’t know much about how they view the GPA.</p>

<p>5.) Kids in your situation are often advised to do a post-baccalaureate program. I don’t know anything about these and perhaps somebody else can pitch in.</p>

<p>6.) You have backup options, some of which I find appealing and some of which I don’t. EMS as a career is an option I know nothing about. I am a big fan of both DO and NP programs. I am NOT a fan of medical school abroad. My guess is that you do not meet standards for DDS or DVM programs.</p>

<p>Is this guy married? going to medical school with a brand new daughter? isn’t that risky? med school = lots of debt, and trying to raise a family? post-baccalaureate program? EMS, DO, NP, DDS, DVM? what the hell…</p>

<p>Some medical students enter medical school with young children. It’s not common but it’s also not completely unheard of.</p>

<p>Completely unheard of until now, at least for me. Bluedevil, are you a medical student? Is sakky a medical student? if you don’t mind me asking.</p>

<p>I will let sakky speak for himself. I’m entering my fourth week of medical school, and I generally do not tell people where.</p>

<p>Oh that’s fine, you seemed very intelligent on the subject which is why I was asking. </p>

<p>Well…I’m just a senior in high school, but I did have a question:</p>

<p>I took a mini biotechnology college course way back before high school even, and I still have the book and I really did enjoy it. I’ve been looking to being a doctor my entire life. The whole house is filled with medical books and medicines and syringes and shots and patient charts, due to both of my parents being physicians. Even when I was a kid, I’d wait for my mom to finish in her office, and the nurse would let me help her with little tasks and such, when she would draw blood from patients and stuff like that. “Give me that alcohol pad dear”, etc. My dad constantly reminds me of the days he studied the medical book 14 times from cover to cover and how demanding the job is. I’ve visited the ER before I even went to high school, and this wasn’t due to an injury or anything. The point is, I’ve had exposure to the kinda environment physicians and physicians-to-be work in from a very early age. </p>

<p>So basically, I’ve been looking at pre-med for an extremely long time, and I’ve never wavered on the decision. I’ve taken every single science course offered in my high school and have done a couple of premed oriented science courses, such as dissecting in anatomy camps. I even administered shots to young poor kids when I volunteered overseas. </p>

<p>I’m not yet sure what I should major in though. I know it doesn’t matter for a while but I feel like I should define my priorities a little more by now. Definently something biology related, so my question is: will a major in biomedical engineering adequately prepare someone pursuing the medical field? It doesn’t seem to cover topics as in depth as a biology related major . . . what do you think? Is chemistry a very related topic, or does the MCAT basically cover organic chemistry and thats it? My parents would like me to major in physiology or anatomy or I guess it’s called “Human Biology” nowadays, but I’m not sure if I want to study something so specific right now.</p>

<p>Thoughts>?</p>

<p>Med students with kids is really not that uncommon. I’d say about roughly 10% of my class has children. Now are they 23 or 24 with young kids…not really, it’s mainly the older people, 28-35 demographic, in my class with kids. However there is a married couple in my med school class (they were married to each other before med school) who are currently expecting their first child in December. They both graduated the same year I did from undergrad.</p>

<p>There is one woman who is repeating the first year who has 8 kids.</p>

<p>You should major in what YOU want. Any major will be fine for med school. Don’t do Human Biology if it’s only what your parents want. Don’t do biomed engineering (which seems to be a popular choice among premeds) if you don’t like engineering.</p>

<p>For people who love math, do you know any options they have in the medical field (except paperwork, cubicle jobs, etc…)? My interests are both math and bio, but it seems that I’m better at math. So my Q is : should I keep on taking math courses at college?</p>

<p>One more Q: is small college, good grades, then med school the way to go? What nice, small (but not below 2000) colleges do you know that are good and you recommend? I hear that there are some GREAT unknown, unranked colleges out there.</p>

<p>btw, i’m a high school junior</p>

<p>ubi_sum: if you go to the Parents Forum and post your question, there are lots of parents with knowledge of many colleges who will help you with your list of potential colleges. You can major in math and still go to med school, or possibly even math and biology.</p>

<p>Thank you very much for your advice. About the GPA thing, It is actually dependant on how many classes you take here. I have the potential, potential, to get higher than a 3.15, but whether that will happen is probably far from the truth. I don’t want to do a post-bac. program because I have tons of science. I feel like it wouldn’t be appropriate. The majors decision, I thought, were very different. As you said, Physics is very quantitative. At MIT, it very theoretically heavy. Biology is really molecular biology here and is not quantitative at all. It focuses on experimental biology and is centered around pathways and understanding those pathways. Thank you for your advice. I don’t know what I will do, but I wanted to get some honest opinions.</p>

<p>I know many people that had low gpas (<3.5) who went to medical school. What I suggest is that you finish your major and apply to masters programs. Usually, masters programs are around 2 years, and most people manage to get much higher gpas and pad their extra curriculars with research and more volunteering. Anyways, good luck with whatever you plan to do.</p>

<p>bookiemom: thank you for the advice!</p>

<p>another question:
After you’ve went though the whole process, how easy/hard is it to get a job? well, since that Q is pretty vague, i’ll ask this:
Which fields are you more likely to get a job? Not likely?</p>

<p>ubi_sum: your question isn’t very clear. Do you mean in which specialities in medicine are you more likely to get a job? Or which other fields related to medicine? I think the job market is excellent in most areas related to medical care for anyone with good qualifications.</p>

<p>Specialties are gonna be in BIG demand. My uncle (who’s a MD) said that all specialties are experiencing a heavy volume of patients meaning that the medical field is in high demand right of more MDs as of now.</p>

<p>just a note: the popularity and necessity of specialists vs generalists is a very cyclical thing - HS students today looking out nearly a decade from now may encounter a different environment. may not quite be as pronounced as the interest in producing generalists as it was during the 90’s but who really can predict the future. Something to be aware of.</p>

<p>Many jobs are available in medicine, but not all pay well or even adequately. As some on the board have pointed out, because of third party reimbursement, medical spending and medical reimbursement does not follow traditional supply and demand models. </p>

<p>Here in West Hawaii we have no ENT surgeon (left for California last year), will again have no oncologist, soon will have no urologist and are losing another internist. All these jobs are available, as are jobs for neurosurgeons in many states which have no neurosurgeon at all.</p>

<p>Below is an article from West Hawaii Today</p>

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<p>Hi all, just trying to catch up on this monster thread.
This is for Sakky, if you’re still around…</p>

<p>On page 9, you provided various rather convincing statistics and pointed out the inherent injustice in med school admission due to prestige and grade inflation etc. But one thing you might have overlooked which might have explained it all is the factor of race.</p>

<p>That’s right, race. In particular, asian race. There was a study a while back stating that with the same GPA and MCAT score(can’t remember the exact numbers), an african american applicant has an 80% chance of getting admitted, hispanic has 50% chance, caucasian has 12% chance, and asian has 5% chance. My numbers may be off a bit but you get the gist.</p>

<p>Any comments?</p>

<p>AAMC statistics indicate that Asian admittees have on average ~.5 higher MCAT points and pretty similar GPAs than white students. In other words, this doesn’t sound to me like undergrad admissions any more: Asian kids don’t get penalized *too *severely. The 12% vs. 5% gap sounds a little large to me.</p>

<p>In the absence of a large, controlled study – which we couldn’t and shouldn’t do – the best we can do is examine the methodology.</p>

<p>I do think sakky’s right that medical school admissions committees are a little hesitant to adjust for course mix. And certainly race matters. And certainly there’s a lot of ridiculous randomness in the process itself.</p>

<p>But I don’t know that race explains it all.</p>

<p>i am currently a high school senior and it is time for me to choose an undergrad
im not sure which place can benefit me the most so i would hope you can give some suggestions. i’m trying for premed and my college major is biochem and some are biology</p>

<p>places already accepted:
UCI with regents and Campuswide Honors Program (9K per year)
UCSD- officially accepted when i went to Scholars day
Berkeley- already did my regents interview and officially accepted
USC- deans scholar 8,500 per year</p>

<p>Colleges still waiting;
Rice
Johns Hopkins
Pomona College
UCLA - i was invited for regents and waiting for result ( if i get it 5500 per year)</p>

<p>i live in so cal by the way</p>