Giuliani's former mistress Judith Nathan and billing records

[zoosermom]

<p>"Weren’t there a lot of “…gates…” that Clinton will try to make us forget??</p>

<p>I can’t remember."</p>

<p>You make a good point. Let’s pick a candidate with very few skeletons and go for him. We can’t afford to neutralize the sleaze factor.</p>

[zoosermom]

<p>“P.S. I am NOT a Guiliani supporter at all. I am still very much UNDECIDED”</p>

<p>Me too. And Judi (I couldn’t live for 4-8 years with Rudy and Judi in the White House – that should disqualify them immediately) is not an asset.</p>

[mathmom]

<p>Interestingly I thought was that he wasn’t just hiding his tryst with the mistress in the Hamptons he was also hiding fundraising campaigns in upstate NY for his Senate run. I’m a knee jerk liberal through and through, but I did think NYC as run by Giuliani was a lot nicer to visit than when it was run by Democrats! That said I think that Giuliani’s character which was to roll over opponents, win at all costs, eschew negotiations, is not what I’d want to see in a president.</p>

[1sokkermom]

<p>Re : Rudi & Judy</p>

<p>Worse than Hill & Bill ? That may be a toss up…</p>

[NYMomof2]

<p>zooser, I was not referring to the hiding of Guiliani’s security expenses, but to the use of a police driver and car for Judith Nathan. If this is true, then Guiliani may be guilty of a crime.</p>

[zoosermom]

<p>“zooser, I was not referring to the hiding of Guiliani’s security expenses, but to the use of a police driver and car for Judith Nathan. If this is true, then Guiliani may be guilty of a crime.”</p>

<p>Could very well be. Lucky for us it came out now.</p>

[NYMomof2]

<p>I’m surprised that Guiliani has remained the front-runner as long as he has. I have been baffled for months about the lack of attention for Huckabee, who has seemed to me to be the strongest of the Republican candidates (don’t get me wrong, I do not support him or agree with most of his positions, but I do respect him). Now that Brownback has dropped out, he seems to be picking up support. I was hoping that he would remain under the radar, because I think he would be the hardest one for us (Democrats) to beat.</p>

[1sokkermom]

<p>Don’t worry. The press still has enough to feast on with the other side.</p>

<p>[Bill</a> Clinton embarrasses wife over Iraq war - Times Online](<a href=“The Times & The Sunday Times: breaking news & today's latest headlines”>http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article2963511.ece)</p>

<p>In addition, lots of articles about the Clinton Campaign trying to “fix” the upcoming Iowa debate !</p>

[NYMomof2]

<p>If Bill Clinton opposed the Iraq invasion from the start, he was certainly quiet about it!</p>

[tommybill]

<p>Former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani billed obscure city agencies for his security detail’s travel expenses at the time he was spending weekends in the Hamptons conducting an extramarital affair with Judith Nathan, the Politico website reported Wednesday.
Bills for hotel rooms, gas and other costs for his police detail during 11 visits to Southampton between 1999 and 2001, when Nathan had a condo there, were apparently concealed.
The expenses were discovered in 2001, at the end of Giuliani’s term, when a city auditor noticed $34,000 worth of travel expenses buried in the accounts of the New York City Loft Board.
Another $10,054 was billed to the Office for People With Disabilities, $29,757 to the Procurement Policy Board and abotu $400,000 to the Assigned Counsel Administrative Office.
Auditors were unable to verify that the expenses were for “legitimate or necessary purposes,” City Comptroller William Thompson wrote in a confidential 2002 letter to Mayor Bloomberg.</p>

<p>Read more:
[Rudy</a> made love getaways on city’s dime, charges Web site](<a href=“http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/11/28/2007-11-28_rudy_made_love_getaways_on_citys_dime_ch.html]Rudy”>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/11/28/2007-11-28_rudy_made_love_getaways_on_citys_dime_ch.html)</p>

[1sokkermom]

<p>Re: Rudy Scandals</p>

<p>We ain’t seen nothing yet ! :rolleyes:</p>

<p>[THE</a> CLINTON SCANDALS: A guide to the archive of the Progressive Review KEYS: Arkansas, drugs, Whitewater](<a href=“http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm]THE”>http://prorev.com/wwindex.htm)</p>

[Hanna]

<p>“I do believe that many of the Republican candidates are “principled” people – men like Romney and Huckabee”</p>

<p>Do you believe that Romney was genuinely pro-choice for decades and had an actual 180-degree change of heart shortly after running for office in Massachusetts for the last time and before seeking national office?</p>

<p>Huckabee, I respect, in the sense that he really does have a core set of beliefs and pursues them come hell or high water. Romney, not so much.</p>

[cathymee]

<p>lets get back to basics.one of the reasons so many firefighters died that day was they didnt have proper communications equipment and there wasnt proper communications coordination between firefighters on the inside and police brass on the outside who could have been telling them get out in a timely manner,if only the channels on the radios coordinated…alot of it was “turf war” between the finest and the bravest,but some of the blame went to economic squabbles…Also, the FDNY didnt and still to this day does not have their own choppers and supervisors must wait to hitch rides on PD choppers.Guys on the inside were stranded without info while trying to do their best.
I’m sorry for anyone affected by their admirable work on the pile whether uniformed service or civilian.Theres much,I think that this administration has covered up about the events of that day including the ensuing air quality.
To anyone who thinks visiting NY was “nicer” under the Rudy administration be glad you werent someone whose civil rights were trampled on in the process of “cleaning up” NYC.
And it seems its still a nice place to visit under Mayor Bloombergs administration, a whole different kind of administrator.</p>

[zoosermom]

<p>“To anyone who thinks visiting NY was “nicer” under the Rudy administration be glad you werent someone whose civil rights were trampled on in the process of “cleaning up” NYC.
And it seems its still a nice place to visit under Mayor Bloombergs administration, a whole different kind of administrator.”</p>

<p>Cathy, thank you for the thoughtful and reasonable post. I agree completely about the equipment and communications being a major cause of deaths among firefighters on that day. I would also like to know the whole story about air quality, but I’m not quite sure that the city is as nice under Bloomberg as it was under Giuliani. I work in Times Square which I see as the canary in the coal mine and some of the ugliness has come back. I also don’t agree with many of Bloomberg’s priorities, particularly in connection with the health department. But I respect and admire that we can disagree so courteously and I hope the New Year will bring your husband better health.</p>

[VeryHappy]

<p>Hanna: I agree with you that Romney had a remarkable “change of heart” (ahem) about abortion – he is, after all, a politician, and running in Massachusetts requires different positions than running nationally. That said, I don’t think he’s a crook or personally dishonest.</p>

<p>Yeah, yeah, we can quibble about what “dishonest” means, but I don’t think he steals government funds or services.</p>

[sjmom2329]

<p>

Gee, I wonder if Pat Robertson is regretting that recent endorsement?

</p>

<p>No, of course he won’t. He endorsed Giuliani based on his strong anti-terror stance. There is nothing new here – Giuliani’s various marriages have been examined in great detail, and did not prevent Robertson from endorsing him before. Why should that change now?</p>

[1sokkermom]

<p>Talk about media hype!!! (And I think CNN took the lead in sensationalism.)</p>

<p>[Three</a> hostages freed at Clinton campaign office - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/11/30/clinton.office/index.html]Three”>Clinton meets with staffers after hostage ordeal - CNN.com)</p>

<p>You don’t think this was staged by her own campaign do you? Nahh. But, it would get some pity votes in a state where she has been losing ground and needs to win the nomination. And it does take attention away from the Iowa debate. She also gets out of the scheduled DNC speech. Interesting coincidence?</p>

<p>Good thing we are all not conspiracy theorists like some folks. If we were, we would have noted that the “incident” started at 1:00pm, and her scheduled DNC speech was at 2:30pm. </p>

<p>Probably just a NH wacko that didn’t get a you-tube spot. It will be interesting to see all the follow-up and all the hype…Go NH!</p>

<p>Ughhh. Just checked. Updates show Hillary as a concerned victim of this horrendous situation…Her opponents have opted not to attack her because of this terrible situation. She is handling this “crisis” like a true leader…blah blah blah</p>

[cathymee]

<p>zoosermom
It wasnt me with the disabled/injured husband.Mines a marketing director.It was anephew we lost (Ladder 7 FDNY)</p>

[UriA702]

<p>why bother with this debate, unfortunately it looks like Clinton is going to be the next president. I wouldn’t mind if it gets bill back in the white house.</p>

[sjmom2329]

<p>What are the odds that Giuliani’s response will get the same coverage as the accusation?</p>

<p>

Rudy Giuliani: I was very comfortable with it and really upset that it was put out two hours before a debate with the suggestion that certain agencies were asked to bear the cost of my security. When you had a chance to look at it, it took about 3 to 4 hours to go through all of the records. The story turns out to be a totally false story. This practice was going on in my first term as mayor. It didn’t just happen in my second term as mayor. The police department paid for all of these expenses. But since the police department would sometimes be slow in payment. City Hall would pay it first, then the police department would reimburse every single penny of it. And now we’ve been able to confirm that. So this was really, I know what this was. This story is five years old. It came out two hours before a debate. It’s a typical political hit job with only half the story told … not that second part told … that every single penny was reimbursed … that all of this was public. All of this was discoverable. It was not done in a way that nobody could see it. But it was a typical - this particular case - it was sort of a debate day dirty trick. </p>

<p>Couric: But according to accounts, the bills were spread across, as you’re saying, several government agencies - from the NYC loft board to the office for people with disabilities. And one former New York budget director said today there’s no good reason to do this except to have nobody know about it … </p>

<p>Giuliani: He’s just wrong. And that’s probably a political opponent. The fact is, that by doing it that way, it was more discoverable. Had it been paid by the police department, it never would have been discovered because their records are security records and they can’t be discovered. The reality is: All those agencies that you’re talking about, all of it was fully reimbursed within that year. They’re all in the mayor’s office. This was a way of expediting payment. All of it on the record, all of it discoverable, all of it going on for five or six years. And perfectly appropriate and three budget directors have asserted that but of course the press doesn’t cover that. </p>

<p>Couric: Those three former budget directors have basically explained it according to the way you’re explaining it to me today. </p>

<p>Giuliani: Every single penny repaid. And the first version of the story does not make that clear. </p>

<p>Couric: Having said that, Mayor Giuliani, the report was on a political Web site. It wasn’t planted by your opposition and the records were gotten by a Freedom of Information Act so the notion of it somehow being a political “hit job,” do you really believe that? </p>

<p>Giuliani: It comes out two hours before a debate when the story is five years old - so do I believe that? Of course I believe that. Do I know who did it? No, I don’t know who did it. Plenty of time for the story to come out but to wait until 3 or 4 o’clock in the afternoon of the day of the debate - and it was very, very artfully done because there’s a very good explanation for this … which is it took 24 hours to go find the people who did it who explained that every single penny was reimbursed. All of this was on the record. None of it was against other practices that were used in situations like this, but it took 24 hours to get that explanation so they’ll be more like this. </p>

<p>Couric: Do you think the motive behind this story is to raise questions about your character because it involves a situation that is quite frankly, you know, probably one you’re not all that proud of. </p>

<p>Giuliani: Look, did I expect it, yes. Did I expect exactly this one, no because it’s not true. And it took 12 to 14 hours to show that it’s not true. But they’ll be others like it. </p>

<p>Couric: You have an explanation. Obviously your explanation is quite different than the original report. How do you think this will affect your candidacy? Or the way people perceive you? </p>

<p>Giuliani: I think it will show that we do things honestly, honorably, above board. All of this is easily explained and all of this is easily discoverable. And none of it was hidden. It’s all there in records. And it is perfectly appropriate procedure. And the fact is, I had to have security. It wasn’t of my own desire. The reason I had to have security was because people have been threatening to kill me for quite some time going back to when I was a U.S. attorney. So I had 24-hour security. The records were handled in a way that they’re all discoverable. The police department ultimately paid for everything. Nobody was put out at all and from my point of view I prefer not to have security but this wasn’t done because I wanted to have security. It was done because there were definable threats to kill me going back to when I was a U.S. attorney.

</p>

<p>[Rudy:</a> “Debate Day Dirty Trick”, Giuliani Tells Katie Couric Expenses Were Handled Above Board, Questions Report’s Timing - CBS News](<a href=“http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/eveningnews/main3556470.shtml]Rudy:”>http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/29/eveningnews/main3556470.shtml)</p>