<p>Mathmom, I agree. Bloomberg’s a mensch. Giuilian’s a despot.</p>
<p>“Bloomberg’s a mensch. Giuilian’s a despot.”</p>
<p>I think Bloomberg’s just as much of a despot. Perhaps more. He just puts that liberal, I know what’s best for you spin on it. Which drives me out of my mind.</p>
<p>as apposed to the conservative- I know whats best for you spin…treating the public like they are too stupid to know any better</p>
<p>You’ve got it backward there CGM. It’s not for nothing that Mikey is called “Nanny Bloomberg.” Now THERE is a man who has no regard for the intelligence or competence of individual human beings. which is exactly why I’m a conservative.</p>
<p>cgm: examples, please!</p>
<p>you ant examples of how conservatives treat the public? omg, too many to list</p>
<p>but for starters, the war- like we are too dumb to figure out the lies that got us there, and are too dumb to not remember facts</p>
<p>and then there is the idea the somehow having paperless ballots is smart</p>
<p>and that just because the president picks you, doesn’t mean you are capapble of doing the job</p>
<p>and when you talk about voter fraud, trying to show that its this huge epidemic of people voting when they shouldn’t when in fact the real voter fraud is taking away the rights to vote for thousands and thousands who have every right to vote</p>
<p>and saying that I can’t do with my own body what I want, and that stem cell research is taking a life and mixing up the bible with the constitution and our government</p>
<p>saying you are helping kids with no child left behind, when you aren’t funding it</p>
<p>when you say you are doing all you can to keep our country safe while our ports, our nucluear plants, our cargo ships, most cargo on planes is never checked- ever</p>
<p>when you say you support the troops and then lie about how many were hurt, when you take away the funding for the hurt ones, when you lie about how many people have been slaughtered in our name</p>
<p>when you push abstience, ignoring the reality of teen sex, even among the conservative teens</p>
<p>when you claim want to push teaching bad science because its in the bible</p>
<p>i could go on, but here is some more stuff some posters here can try to defend and blame hillary for</p>
<p>City taxpayers picked up tab for Judith Giuliani’s visit to kin in Pennsylvania
BY MICHAEL SAUL and DAVID SALTONSTALL
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS
Saturday, December 1st 2007, 4:00 AM
Richards/Getty
Rudy and Judith Giuliani enjoy the perk of flight on Air Force One in 2004.
In the fall of 2001, city cops chauffeured Rudy Giuliani’s then-mistress, Judith Nathan, to her parents’ Pennsylvania home 130 miles away on the taxpayers’ dime.
Records show that city cops refueled at an ExxonMobil station down the road from Nathan’s childhood home in Hazleton on Oct. 20, 2001, while Giuliani stayed behind in New York attending 9/11 funerals.
A similar receipt pops up at a different Hazleton gas station two months later, when Nathan apparently went home for a pre-Christmas visit with her parents.
The records show that - in addition to using City Hall funds to take Giuliani and Nathan to 11 secret trysts in the Hamptons, as has been previously reported - taxpayers were paying to ferry Nathan on long-distance trips without Giuliani, now a Republican contender for President.</p>
<p>[City</a> taxpayers picked up tab for Judith Giuliani’s visit to kin in Pennsylvania](<a href=“http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/12/01/2007-12-01_city_taxpayers_picked_up_tab_for_judith_-1.html]City”>http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2007/12/01/2007-12-01_city_taxpayers_picked_up_tab_for_judith_-1.html)</p>
<p>btw, if you read the new CNN report on the hostage situation, they DID report all the calls to the police, but DIDN"t report them to the public</p>
<p>imagine that CNN did what the police wanted them to do…read the report very carefuly…and you will see that CNN didn’t hide anything from the authorities</p>
<p>During the standoff, Eisenberg had three conversations with CNN staffers in Washington and Atlanta, Georgia, during which he said he had mental health problems and could not get the help he needed.</p>
<p>CNN and police refused his requests to speak with Clinton.</p>
<p>“As a tactical standpoint, that would not have been wise for us to do that” because it would have reduced negotiators’ bargaining leverage, Rochester Police Chief David Dubois said.</p>
<p>Clinton said she made it clear to authorities that she would “take their direction” in deciding what to do.</p>
<p>Dubois said Eisenberg is facing possible charges of kidnapping and reckless conduct and could also face federal charges. He was being held in a local jail Friday night.</p>
<p>CNN notified law enforcement about Eisenberg’s calls to the network. To avoid jeopardizing the hostages, CNN did not report on the calls until he had surrendered shortly after 6 p.m.</p>
<p>[Hostage</a> ordeal over, Clinton resumes campaign - CNN.com](<a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/01/clinton.office/]Hostage”>Hostage suspect sued in 2002, saying priest raped him - CNN.com)</p>
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<p>I truly hope that was a joking question. How about the war on drugs, the absolute epitome of attempting to control what people PERSONALLY consume? What could the rationale for that be other than “I know what’s best for you”?</p>
<p>And that’s just one example.</p>
<p>I haven’t read every post, but I do have a couple of questions to city girl mom.</p>
<p>Would you ever consider voting for anyone that is not a democrat?</p>
<p>What news outlets do you receive your info from, i.e. drudge, politico, or just cable news and papers (not meaning to insult just curious)</p>
<p>Finally, please leave the military out of it, if it is jsut coming from te news. Because for every story there is out there, an opposite exists. And if you are not living it day in and day out, no one will ever be able to convince you, that there is no cover up. Turn the rhetoric down “SLAUGHTERED” is not called for, war is war, BTW most servicemembers are dying from non-combat related deaths than being killed like you state, I refuse to use that verbage</p>
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<p>That’s for sure. It’s just pure self-righteousness and the desire for control and power that keeps that ridiculous ‘war’ going.</p>
<p>Other countries that treat druggies like we treat alchies have much more sense - rehabilitation for the addicts is much more sensible than turning them into criminals!</p>
<p>And as for moderate, nonharmful use, why is it anyone’s business anyway?</p>
<p>Citygirlsmom, you live in San Francisco, right? Enough said.</p>
<p>CGM, Super post #66. Way to go!</p>
<p>By the way folks, Huckabee is creeping up in polls right behind Rudy.
I think he just might surprise both arrogant Rudy and flip-flopper Romney.</p>
<p>I’m a Democrat 90% of the time, and I am most definitely not an evangelical Christian, but I would be happy if Huckabee became the nominee. He seems like a straight-shooter, someone who genuinely believes in his positions (as opposed to those who just discovered their positions last week), someone who is sincere. He would also offer a real choice between himself and whoever runs as the Democratic candidate.</p>
<p>And Zoosermom: Apparently we do agree that Giuliani’s a despot.</p>
<p>if your baby was killed for a cause that you had NOTHING TO DO WITH- and you country had NOTHING TO DO WITH< it is slaughter</p>
<p>our people were slaughtered, and we have killed hundreds of thousands in our name</p>
<p>yes slaughter is an appropriate word</p>
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<p>No, it was not. Let’s see, if I recall, the War on Drugs was started back in under Nixon and the Controlled Substance Act of 1970. Several Presidents later, Bill Clinton raised the office of drug control to Cabinet level. Lat time I checked, Bill does not fit the role of “conservative.” Hmmmmmm</p>
<p>Better example, please? </p>
<p>cgm: you appear to be mixing your issues. What does stem cell have to do with YOUR body? Hillary even voted for the War as did Edwards. Do you consider them “too dumb”?</p>
<p>Don’t many on this board complain of TOO MUCH government intrusion? How do you then check 100% of cargo?</p>
<p>The national ID card were proposed by the bipartisan 9/11 commission. Are they also “too dumb”?</p>
<p>Depends on whether you’re talking in a social sense or not. Hate to break it to you, but on a global scale almost every politician in the US is “conservative” (in the sense of economically right wing and socially authoritarian-leaning).</p>
<p>The Republicans are just more so. Whatever Clinton did, Republicans are always most strident about the war on drugs and so forth. There’s your example. Note that I didn’t say democrats are totally innocent of such interference, but you acted as if Republicans never impose their conception of right on others’ personal decisions, when that is manifestly not the case.</p>
<p>when people voted for the war, they were wrong, but they were also mislead by the President of the United States</p>
<p>guess they were dumb to trust the President and his minions</p>
<p>as for stem cell- it has to do with conservatives religious beliefs and the human body- and when life begins</p>
<p>gee, some of us can make that connection</p>
<p>I expect SOME cargo checked- going after my mothers tube of lip gloss is ever so much more important that checking more than 5% of cargo containers</p>
<p>but guess that concept is lost on some</p>
<p>seems in this day and age people are fooled by glitter and glitz, ie= taking away my tweezers, but letting lead filled products into the hands of children</p>
<p>and yes it is all connected- its about priorities and pretending to care about your citizens, while letting poisin cross its borders and getting placed in babies cribs because you don’t have enough, inspectors</p>
<p>I can connect all the dots…so yes, your ow body and stem cell research are absolutely connected because the mentallity of those that want to ban both abortion and stem cell research justify the banning of both on the same “concept”</p>
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<p>I agree. I don’t understand how people can justify slaughtering innocent people.</p>
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<p>This is generally true. There is an exception: Ron Paul is against abortion on demand but not stem cell research because there are other sources for the tissue.</p>
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<p>That’s true. I am disappointed, though, that the only top-tier candidate taking a strong stance against the war NOW is a Republican. Oh, and there is ONE Democrat - Kucinich. I have always voted Democrat in the past and really wanted to like Hillary and Obama. First woman/first black president would have been so cool!</p>
<p>Why don’t Speaker Pelosi and Senate Leader Reid defund the war? They have the legal (and moral?) authority to sponsor bills eliminating any and all funding?</p>
<p>Again, you are mixing issues. Check out the speeches of the Dems on securing our borders!</p>
<p>btw: Bush vetoed federal funding of stem cell research; that’s all. Conspiracy theorists make assumptions about connecting dots with facts not in evidence. :)</p>