Giuliani's former mistress Judith Nathan and billing records

<p>So, Rudy the Righteous, used public funds to ferry his mistress about with guards with the knowledge of other public officials who were supposed to watch how tax dollars are spent, and for which he received services that he did not account for on his sworn federal, state, and local taxes. </p>

<p>Have I got that right? </p>

<p>Seems like 1. breaking of a promise to his then wife. 2. Use of public funds. 3. Not paying taxes. 4. Defrauding the people. 5. Not correcting the mistakes. 6. Now minimizing the crimes. </p>

<p>At least he speaks well. But would I allow him to lead the country, and I follow?</p>

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<p>The Prez has zero input on banning abortions – last I checked, the Constitution does not allow the Prez to enact laws, which currently is under the leadership of Pelosi and Reid. So, connecting the dots is akin to watching Oliver Stone movies.</p>

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<p>WOW! One heck of an implication and, of course, based on facts not in evidence.</p>

<p>OK, so do you or do you not agree with the statement that Republicans as a party tend to try to tell people how to live their lives? I’m not talking in reference to the Democrats or anyone else here, just the Republicans.</p>

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I’m pretty sure the Soviet Union was stable under Stalin, and Germany of the 1930’s was pretty stable under Hitler. Is that your only criteria?</p>

<p>“'m pretty sure the Soviet Union was stable under Stalin, and Germany of the 1930’s was pretty stable under Hitler. Is that your only criteria?”</p>

<p>How about the following criteria?</p>

<p>Nonstop Theft and Bribery Are Staggering Iraq</p>

<p>BAGHDAD, Dec. 1 — Jobless men pay $500 bribes to join the police. Families build houses illegally on government land, carwashes steal water from public pipes, and nearly everything the government buys or sells can now be found on the black market.</p>

<p>Painkillers for cancer (from the Ministry of Health) cost $80 for a few capsules; electricity meters (from the Ministry of Electricity) go for $200 each, and even third-grade textbooks (stolen from the Ministry of Education) must be bought at bookstores for three times what schools once charged. </p>

<p>“Everyone is stealing from the state,” said Adel Adel al-Subihawi, a prominent Shiite tribal leader in Sadr City, throwing up his hands in disgust. “It’s a very large meal, and everyone wants to eat.”</p>

<p>Corruption and theft are not new to Iraq, and government officials have promised to address the problem. But as Iraqis and American officials assess the effects of this year’s American troop increase, there is a growing sense that, even as security has improved, Iraq has slipped to new depths of lawlessness.</p>

<p>One recent independent analysis ranked Iraq the third most corrupt country in the world. Of 180 countries surveyed, only Somalia and Myanmar were worse, according to Transparency International, a Berlin-based group that publishes the index annually.</p>

<p>And the extent of the theft is staggering. Some American officials estimate that as much as a third of what they spend on Iraqi contracts and grants ends up unaccounted for or stolen, with a portion going to Shiite or Sunni militias. In addition, Iraq’s top anticorruption official estimated this fall — before resigning and fleeing the country after 31 of his agency’s employees were killed over a three-year period — that $18 billion in Iraqi government money had been lost to various stealing schemes since 2004.</p>

<p>The collective filching undermines Iraq’s ability to provide essential services, a key to sustaining recent security gains, according to American military commanders. It also sows a corrosive distrust of democracy and hinders reconciliation as entrenched groups in the Shiite-led government resist reforms that would cut into reliable cash flows.</p>

<p>In interviews across Baghdad, though, Iraqis said the widespread thieving affected them at least as powerfully on an emotional and moral level. The Koran is very clear on stealing: “God does not love the corrupters,” one verse says. And for average Iraqis, those ashamed of the looting that took place immediately after the fall of Saddam Hussein, the current era of anything-goes is particularly crushing because almost no one can avoid its taint.</p>

<p>For many, it is not a question of getting rich. Theft and corruption have become survival tools, creating a spiral of dishonest transactions that leave nearly everyone feeling dirty.</p>

<p>Abu Ali is a 23-year-old Sunni with a soft middle and a common tale. Identifying himself by only a nickname, which means father of Ali, he said that he, his wife, his elderly mother and six relatives fled their home in eastern Baghdad last year after receiving death threats from Shiite militias. First they rushed to Diyala Province, and when that turned violent, they moved back to a safer area of Baghdad — broke and desperate.</p>

<p>A major breadwinner for his family, Abu Ali needed a job. And like many Iraqis, he saw only one employer hiring: the government. A neighbor who was a police officer suggested joining the force. Abu Ali asked how, noting that recruits outnumbered positions. The answer was simple: a $500 bribe.</p>

<p>Abu Ali borrowed the money a few months ago and found his way to a cellphone shop downtown, where, he said, a man in his late 20s welcomed him inside. The man identified himself as a police captain and seemed at ease with the transaction. His wealth sparkled all around.</p>

<p>“He had a silver Mercedes,” Abu Ali said. “He was wearing a thick gold chain and a gold watch.”</p>

<p>Abu Ali tried to bargain for a lower fee, but failed, handing over the cash and filling out official forms. In return, he said, he received a blue card stamped “Ministry of the Interior,” which declared him an accepted member of the police force. The man with the gold chain told him to watch for an announcement in the local paper that listed the names of newly accepted recruits, and to bring the card to his first day of training.</p>

<p>“How do I know I’ll really get the job?” Abu Ali said he asked. “He told me, ‘I’ve put in 70 or 80 people already. Don’t worry about it.’”</p>

<p><a href=“http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/world/middleeast/02baghdad.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin[/url]”>http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/02/world/middleeast/02baghdad.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Let me pose this question to Iraq invasion fan club. After 9/11 almost the entire world put their arms around us. If it were to happen again, do you think it would generate same amount of sympathy?</p>

<p>I would hope and expect that any civilized nation would embrace the victims of any atrocity or disaster. I don’t recall that the US was all that popular around the world on September 10, 2001.</p>

<p>By the way, it is pretty insulting to refer to those who support the US government and the US military as an “Iraq invasion fan club.” No sensible person wants war – most especially, those who have to fight it. But to do nothing when action is called for is just cowardice or isolationism. I understand that the Dems are very uncomfortable that their efforts to undermine the possibilities for success have backfired, but they’ll just have to live with that.</p>

<p>sjmom2329,</p>

<p>Actually, the US was enjoying a fairly remarkable spurt of popularity right after Clinton’s presidency. It was probably the tail end of "Yay Cold War is over"ism, though.</p>

<p>Interesting topic.</p>

<p>I never thought of politicians as sensible people. Cold, callous, and calculating is a better and more accurate description of them. Researcher Lisa Marshall seems to think so too.</p>

<p>[MP</a> Terry’s blast for shrinks](<a href=“http://archive.theboltonnews.co.uk/1996/9/5/845604.html]MP”>Archive news from the The Bolton News)</p>

<p>Sorry, folks. You don’t get the most powerful position in the US and arguably in the world by being nice. Party politics is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.</p>

<p>Well, in the US, maybe. But you get nowhere in many other systems unless you toe the line to an extent (I’m thinking of the UK and Japan).</p>

<p>Remember how Margret Thatcher engineered the coup against Edward Heath?
You also have to remember that Lisa Marshall did her research in Scotland.</p>

<p>I doubt it is any different in Japan. Culturally you can not act like a cowboy of course, but you must still build a power base, enlarge it, and wait for your chance. Being a non-conformist in a conformist world can be a huge advantage if you play it right. Just think, you can anticipate what your opposition is going to do but they can not anticipate what you will do. I think the smartest ones are those who act like conformists but are not…</p>

<p>Talking about playing possum, I remember Anwar Sadat was called “Nasser’s puppet” before he came to power. Indira Gandhi was put in power by the different factions of the Congress Party because they thought she was weak and can be controlled. What I don’t get was why Lin Biao staged a coup against Mao when all he had to do was wait for his turn…</p>

<p>Sorry, got to go and do the snow. There is at least an hour’s worth of work waiting for me.</p>

<p>Culture matters, but the system matters quite a bit. Mavericks have an easier time in the US thanks to weaker party power. In the UK and Japan, parties have much more power over MPs than they do in the US, where party discipline is relatively weak. In Japan’s case, however, we see increasingly weaker party discipline thanks to electoral changes and an increasing focus on a “presidentialized” prime minister.</p>

<p>"By the way, it is pretty insulting to refer to those who support the US government and the US military as an “Iraq invasion fan club.”</p>

<p>It is not insulting at all - it is the truth. If some one points out that you are barking at the wrong tree is not insulting at all.</p>

<p>“I would hope and expect that any civilized nation would embrace the victims of any atrocity or disaster.”</p>

<p>Keep hoping. The most likely reaction might be “You asked for it”.</p>

<p>Only from people like you. And it IS insulting to trivialize the Iraq war by calling those who would like to see the US – and the Iraqi people – succeed. Since you can’t come up with any deeper analysis of the situation, or find any sign of defeat in the current situation, you just make a mockery of a world changing event. </p>

<p>I won’t continue to discuss this with you – your words tell me all I need to know about your outlook.</p>

<p>well let us see. The Iraq invasion cost British and Australian PM their jobs. Republicans in this country lost both houses. The invasion will ultimately cost about a trillion dollar. No WMD (the basic premise) were found. Millions of Iraqis are homeless and refugees. More than 500,000 of them lost their lives. Thousands of American troops were killed.</p>

<p>And the funny thing is the king of terror Osama is still alive, well and getting stronger. </p>

<p>After the Taliban fall, his infrastructure - base, money, weapons access, communication network, recruiting were in shambles. But because of this invasion he is able to rebuild all of them. What deeper analysis do you want?</p>

<p>You can always take your marbles and go home.</p>

<p>Oh, I totally agree that the system is important. All I am trying to say is that for folks with the “right” personality type and enough street smarts, any system can be easily negotiated. These folks have an evolutionary advantage over the rest of us and I always wonder what would happen if we are all born without feeling. I guess it doesn’t work. Predators have to have their preys.</p>

<p>I think you are referring to “party discipline”. Up here, it is the job of the Whip to get the members to vote the way the leader sees fit.</p>

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<p>Not sure the qualifier makes sense, but I’ll respond anyway. I would suggest that ALL politicians, with the possible exception of those libertarian-leaning, tell people how to live thier lives. Heck, that’s why they go into politics, politics=power (cynically said). :)</p>

<p>Sjmom, “the invasion fan club” is quite apt because the people in it are war-hungry. They want to create a third war</p>

<p>If you are not so war-hungry name one war you would have opposed, except the Civil War :)</p>

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<p>Good. I agree. But what started this was your asking for examples of conservative “I know what’s best for you” thought, when they are clearly evident, and zoosermom’s contention that liberals are so much worse than conservatives on the matter.</p>

<p>I think both sides are bad. Conservatives are abhorrent on their nannying in social matters like sexual issues (gay issues etc.), drugs, and so forth, and democrats tend to be worse on economic matters (and on health, in terms of stuff like banning trans fats).</p>

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<p>That’s why I, uh… said “party discipline.” ;)</p>

<p>The joy of having unitary parliaments versus our North American federal systems is no need for a whip. Imagine a system where your MP/rep. votes for policies, not pork!</p>