Going from the SEC to the Big Ten

<p>^^^
What does the football budget have to do with anything. The school does NOT fund the football program. The football program self-funds AND pays for all other sports AND provides funds for academic scholarships.</p>

<p>“Leading everyone were LSU and Alabama, in both of which the football team represented more than 10% of the budget of the entire university.”</p>

<p>this is a stupid stat. The school’s budget doe NOT fund football. But football does fund all those money-pit women’s sports. hmmm.</p>

<p>"I would look at their budgets, "</p>

<p>Why? what would that tell you?</p>

<p>“I was surprised at how small U Alabama’s university total budget was…about $750 million. By contrast, Iowa State, which is the same size with a similar ranking, has a $1.2 billion dollar budget.”</p>

<p>And yet, Bama is impeccably maintained and upgraded, is hiring profs (rather than shrinking faculty), offers a ton of Honors College classes with 15 kids per class, and is building new bldgs all the time…hmmm…they must know how to not waste money.</p>

<p>that said, those are the totals for those universities’ budgets including grad school. ISU has a vet school, so that’s going to have a decent budget. Nearly 600,000 sq ft of academic space makes up the vet school.</p>

<p>“Leading everyone were LSU and Alabama, in both of which the football team represented more than 10% of the budget of the entire university.”</p>

<p>Let me further clarify how STUPID that stat is when stated without add’l information:</p>

<p>Say I have an income of $80k from my job.</p>

<p>Say I have an income of $20k from my vegetable garden. (so, my total income is $100k)</p>

<p>Say that vegetable garden costs me $10k each year for all expenses and its taxes. ($10k profit each year which I use towards my child’s college costs.)</p>

<p>It would be silly to simply say that the veg garden is costing me 10% of my household budget…when it is making me a very nice profit. With the garden, I’m getting an add’l $10k…without it, I’m limited to my $80k income. The existence of my garden isn’t reducing the amount of money that I can spend on my household. It is increasing it.</p>

<p>It’s interesting that the OP links football and Greek life. That may be the case in the SEC, but it is not the case in the Big Ten. Some Big Ten schools are crazy about their football–Penn State, Ohio State, and Michigan come immediately to mind, but I’d also put Wisconsin in that category these days. Oh, and Nebraska, of course. But there’s just no correlation among Big Ten schools between how football-crazed they are and the strength of Greek life. At Ohio State, for example, only 6% of undergraduate women belong to sororities, and 6% of undergraduate men belong to fraternities. Greek life in the Big Ten is strongest at Northwestern (38% of women, 32% of men) and Indiana (23% of women, 21% of men)–generally not known as big football schools.</p>

<p>Greek life is generally much stronger in the SEC, e.g., Vanderbilt (55% of women in sororities), Ole Miss (36% of women, 29% of men), Auburn (32% of women, 21% of men), Georgia (29% of women, 22% of men), though even there it’s somewhat variable.</p>

<p>Having studied and taught at several Big Ten schools, and having spent some time at all of them, I’d say each one has its own distinct personality and culture, but as a general matter I’d completely agree with the posters who say grad students at Big Ten schools are much less likely than undergrads to attend football games or other sporting events, and much less likely to be involved in Greek life. On the whole they’re a pretty serious, studious, and quiet lot. They tend to befriend people in their program, people who live in the same building or on the same block, and friends of friends. They tend not to fraternize much with undergrads. For entertainment, besides dive bars and cheap cafes, they’ll do things like a Saturday night potluck dinner with friends, and there’s no shortage on any Big Ten campus of on-campus concerts, theater performances, lectures, film series, etc., usually available at a very reasonable cost.</p>

<p>I also think the graduate student culture carries more heft at some schools than at others, reflecting the relative size of the graduate programs. Michigan, for example, has about 15,000 graduate students and 29,000 undergrads–so roughly 1 out of every 3 Michigan students is a grad student. In contrast, Alabama has a similar number of undergrads (28,000) but only 1/3 as many grad students (5,000)–so at Alabama, less than 1 in every 6 students is a grad student. That’s naturally going to make the undergraduate culture much more dominant at a place like Alabama than at Michigan. But I wouldn’t generalize conference-by-conference; this is much more a school-specific variable. </p>

<p>At big football schools, those with Greek life are going to be rather hand in hand. My nephew is at UCLA and my niece is at USC, and their Greek Houses and Football are hand in hand.</p>

<p>However, none of this matters for grad school on ANY campus. Grad school is different. </p>

<p>Montegut, it really is up to your son as to what his grad-school social life will be like. He may date…or not. He may go out with pals on weekends…or not. He may stay in his room and in his spare time play video games…or not. It’s up to him.</p>

<p>Neither of my sons were Greek at the same undergrad as your son. They had a full social life but they were responsible for that. They belonged to clubs, went to concerts, went to movies both on and off campus, had parties, went on dates, went on Spring Breaks, went abroad, etc. </p>

<p>did your son avail himself of any of the symphonies, voice performances, dance productions, theater/musical theater productions and clubs on campus? Did he go to any of the movies on campus? If not, then that was his choice. They were there.</p>

<p>That said, grad school is different. Your son’s social life will depend on his interests and motivation. </p>

<p>“On the whole they’re a pretty serious, studious, and quiet lot. They tend to befriend people in their program, people who live in the same building or on the same block, and friends of friends. They tend not to fraternize much with undergrads. For entertainment, besides dive bars and cheap cafes, they’ll do things like a Saturday night potluck dinner with friends,”</p>

<p>Yep!</p>

<p>Thanks for all the info, guys. Please, I’m not belitting any conference, or any school, or Greeks or athletics at all. I’m just curious as to how things are up north, and found it amusing that most of my son’s applications went to schools in the same conference. It was purely coincidence. My friends and family at Big Ten schools have never even attended a football game, though they live a stone’s throw from the stadium. I have to speak up for Bama, my son’s undergrad, that I am happy the football program brings in so much money, and I’m very proud that Bama turns that money into scholarships for their students. I know quite a few basketball schools that would rather give their sports income to students who have no intention of graduating, and are only on campus as a stepping stone to a lucrative NBA career. </p>