Good Schools that can look past low GPA

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<p>You have a decent chance at a number of OOS publics simply because they will want you to be a full-pay OOS student. Like I said, look at schools ranked below #70. For schools like BU and IU, it could be iffy (I think they are ranked above #70.). For a school like MSU, you probably would get accepted…again, they would love the fact that you would be paying the high OOS costs.</p>

<p>Be aware that many parents will NOT pay high OOS rates for schools that really aren’t any/much better than the instate public alternatives. You live in NY…so your parents may say, "Hey, you can go to a SUNY for about $20k, so we’re not paying $40k+ per year for you to go to MSU…a school that isn’t better than SUNY Stony, Bing, etc.</p>

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<p>Assuming that you mean guidance counselor by GC then yes I do, but she’s not very helpful unfortunately. What’s the point of this site if you’re just going to tell me to ask my guidance counselor?</p>

<p>And thanks for the suggestion Eli, I already visited Hofstra and loved it, I’ll take a look at American and Drexel.</p>

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<p>That’s an interesting point about OOS, I figured BU would be a reach to begin with, I may still give it a shot though. Thanks for your help mom2collegekids.</p>

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<p>BU is private. They don’t care if you’re OOS. IU would since they are a public U.</p>

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<p>True on the acceptance part!! Except that Michigan State U #71 ranks higher than Indiana U - Bloomington #75 based on USNWR. Go State!! :p</p>

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<p>BU - Reach
Maryland - Reach
Indiana - Match
Michigan State - Match
Temple - Safety</p>

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<p>NYkid…</p>

<p>Reread my post. I said OOS publics. </p>

<p>BU is a private. It doesn’t care that you’re OOS. </p>

<p>There are OOS publics (and some privates) that really want more higher paying students and will overlook a few stats issues to get more money for the school. </p>

<p>But, again, talk to your parents about a budget. AND, ask them if that includes paying high OOS rates for OOS publics…many parents won’t pay OOS public rates when instate publics are often very, very similar for a lot less money. </p>

<p>There’s another reason you need to speak to your parents. They may have concerns about how you’ll do in college, so they may not want to spend lots of money on an unsafe bet.</p>

<p>*Quote:
I’m curious if I’d still have a chance: BU, Temple, Maryland, Indiana, Michigan State.
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<p>BU…reach
Maryland - reach but may want your money
Indiana - low reach but may want your money
Mich State - likely…will want your money
Temple - likely…will want your money</p>

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<p>The reason why we reccomend that you speak with your guidance counselor is that most high schools keep track of where their students are admitted. Even if your GC is brand new, someone at your HS should be able to look at your transcript , ECs, etc. and tell you where students like you have been accepted in the past few years. We may be suggesting places that consistently reject students like you from your HS.</p>

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<p>I don’t think there’s an easy answer for a self-described “poor GPA who took no honors/APs but other aspects of the student are better.” An 80 is roughly 3.2. We don’t know what made that 3.2- good grades in solids? Or the gpa is pulled up by better performance in the electives? We don’t know the CR and M. Or what those activities are. And, we don’t know if this is all at a low-competition hs.</p>

<p>Any college that says the hs performance and academic challenges are important, is going to be tricky. This needs saying: most kids overestimate the uniqueness and impact of their ECs. And, the strength of their LoRs. Many state schools are already suffering attention to their low 6 yeard grad rates. They want kids with a good chance of succeeding (among other things, sure.) </p>

<p>When you look at freshman profile stats, there are many reasons some admits fall under the 50% mark. Athletes, legacies, etc. Mich State is a fallback for kids who don’t get into UM, and has a national rep, so the overall competition can/could be higher. </p>

<p>Mich State
Freshman admission is based on:
•your academic performance in high school
•the strength and quality of your curriculum
•recent trends in your academic performance
•your class rank
•your ACT or SAT results
•your leadership, talents, conduct, and diversity of experience</p>

<p>Fall 2010 Freshman Profile
[mid-50%]
•High school GPA: 3.4-3.8 [so midpoint 3.6?]
•Composite ACT: 23-28
•Composite SAT (Critical Reading and Math): 1030-1250</p>

<p>So, that’s where you start- ranking yourself against what they publish, then reading between the lines in the rest of their marketing, to see the sort of kids they like. </p>

<p>Why not UConn or URI? Both have good enough reps.</p>

<p>UConn: “Competitive applicants generally have a B+ cumulative grade point average (3.3 on a 4.0 scale), are ranked in the top 25% of their high school class, and have performed favorably on standardized tests.”</p>

<p>URI: average seems to be about 3.38 and 1670.</p>

<p>And, when we ask about the GC, it’s because he or she knows you, your performance, how you rate among peers, and potential better than we do.</p>

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<p>While I mostly agreed with ‘lookingforward,’ as a former MSU honors student + Lyman Briggs scholar, I’ve found this statement a bit over-generalized… Since there are roughly 3,000+ academically very well accomplished honors kids at Michigan State, who based on MSU Honors College admission criteria, have achieved the “minimum” of the followings in high school:</p>

<pre><code>*Rank in the top 5 percent of their high school graduating class.
*Have an ACT composite score of at least 30 or an SAT score of at least 1360 (Critical Reading plus Math sections only). MSU requires an ACT or SAT with a writing component.
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<p>Source: [Honors</a> College Admission](<a href=“http://honorscollege.msu.edu/admissions/index.html]Honors”>http://honorscollege.msu.edu/admissions/index.html)</p>

<p>Go State!! :)</p>

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<p>^Not to worry. MSU has always had one of the strongest programs in my own academic field and I have plenty of respect for it.<br>
It’s just that OP needs to be careful in assessing his chances. I meant that plenty of oos kids will look at both UM and MSU. Both also have great team spirit. When you put together the need to serve in-state kids plus that draw, it can take more than oos to tip.</p>