<p>Clinton/Clinton. 'Nuff said. Or Gore/B. Clinton.</p>
<p>Yeah, those Clinton’s sure are “anti-establishment!” <em>cough, cough</em></p>
<p>Gore/Obama: not happening.</p>
<p>For one thing, Gore has made it clear that he’s not running. The money and support he would have counted on is already going elsewhere. Those with Gore fantasies are scrunching their eyes really tight and going through all sorts of contortions to find a way that he hasn’t really really really closed the door and that it could happen and that… </p>
<p>He’s a much better speaker now than he was in 2000. For that matter, he would have won the elections if he just hadn’t done the sighing shtick in the first debate. Or there had been one or two less interest rate hikes. Or… Or… Or…</p>
<p>Now I think he’s better with an issue than with a campaign.</p>
<p>Also, I wouldn’t count on Hillary being too polarizing. She’s now within a point of Giuliani and she, unlike Hizzoner, has taken every punch anyone can throw for more than 15 years…it’ll be interesting to see how Rudy does under pressure.</p>
<p>If you told me that I had to bet $100 on the Democratic nominee, I’d plunk it down on Hillary. The GOP…awfully murky. McCain is cratering and I have the feeling that Giuliani is this season’s Howard Dean.</p>
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<p>The good news is we have two strong Democratic candidates who each raised $25+ million in the first quarter – one by energizing the party professionals, one by energizing the grassroots.</p>
<p>The key, IMO, is to make sure that the idealogical grassroots partisans don’t forget the big picture. The good news is that Obama has positioned himself such that he really can’t go negative in the primaries.</p>
<p>I’d still put my early money on a Clinton/Obama ticket.</p>
<p>ID, if I had to bet ten bucks, that’s what I’d call. But a lot of dynamics to sort out…I can still conjure a Clinton/Clark ticket, for instance. Or a Clinton/Richardson ticket. But I agree…if you have to bet now, Hillary/Obama is the way to go.</p>
<p>Clark for Sec. Def. Gore for Sec. Energy.</p>
<p>The people already said that they did not want Gore for president. What we need in this country is more fresh faces, not retreads. I wish that the party machines did not control the nomination process ( as evidenced by Kerry’s nomination) Maybe with the new primary proccess (ie 50% of the primaries on Feb 5, 2008), a candidate truly elected by the people will be possible</p>
<p>OK if I can’t have Gore/Obama then I’ll take Hillary/Obama. That works for me.</p>
<p>Why would Obama want to be VP?</p>
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<p>No, the people already said that they DID want Gore for president. It was the goofy Electoral College system that determined that the guy with second-most number of votes got elected president in 2000. And we are still suffering the consequences.</p>
<p>ADad: because being a VP gives him a good shot at being president in eight years.</p>
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<p>Agreed. War Hillary!!!</p>
<p>BTW, I would really like to know if this “Obama is a black man” hype is just media generated or if his people are helping to spin that. A man can’t just claim one race and deny another for political gain. (not saying he is, but the media is certainly going with it). </p>
<p>If Al Gore is partially decendent from Native Americans, he can’t claim to be the first Native American to seriously contend for the Presidency. (although, he did claim to invent the internet, so maybe he can make that claim).</p>
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<p>That’s before he became fat and his face turned red. The dude looks like a ripe tomato that’s about to fall from a branch and splatter on the ground. The chances of him winning are about the same as John McCain really being a republican…0%. After he gets in a debate or two, people will want him to just go away.</p>
<p>Yes, VP is a supposed breeding ground for presidents.</p>
<p>But Obama already has his own platform. He won’t need to be automatically supportive of somebody for eight years in order to run effectively in 2016.</p>
<p>Gore makes my stomach turn. I met him and his wife at a charity event and he seemed sleazy and she was cold and bi-chy.</p>
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<p>Maybe someday he’ll tell us what it is?</p>
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<p>Logic would suggest that, but the record says otherwise. Sitting vice presidents have been elected president only a handful of times in US history:</p>
<p>Adams in 1796
Jefferson in 1800
Van Buren in 1836
GHW Bush in 1988</p>
<p>That’s it.</p>
<p>Technically, yes. But, that ignores several recent VPs who went on to win presidential elections: LBJ and R. Nixon. It also ignore recent VPs who won their party’s nominations: Humphrey and Gore.</p>
<p>Obama’s biggest challenge is establishing himself as “Presidential” – for the small reason (his lack of national experience and positions) and the big reason (first legitimate Af Am candidate).</p>
<p>If either or both of those prevent him from getting the nomination this time, then running as the VP on a Clinton ticket might be the ideal way to address his weaknesses. He is only 45 years old. His prime shot at the Presidency will come in four or eight years.</p>
<p>Coureur, I think this is one of those “past performance is not necessarily an indicator of future results” kinds of things. Veeps have a higher profile and potentially greater impact now than they did even in LBJ’s era. Certainly, the Dark Lord himself has expanded that role…I’m surprised we haven’t heard about the unitary vice president.</p>
<p>Well, I will say that being VP would apparently double Obama’s low chances, since that has happened four times. Getting elected president directly from the Senate, as he is currently attempting to do, has happened only twice:</p>
<p>Harding in 1920
Kennedy in 1960</p>
<p>That’s it.</p>
<p>Actually his best opportunity of becoming president from the vice presidency comes not from getting elected but from the chances of the president dying in office:</p>
<p>Tyler in 1841
Fillmore in 1850
A. Johnson in 1865
Arthur in 1881
T. Roosevelt in 1901
Coolidge in 1923
Truman in 1945
L. Johnson in 1963</p>
<p>In our Nation’s history, the Secretary of State often ran for (and became) President. Today that is unusual and President-hopefuls are more likely to become Vice-President.</p>