<p>“I don’t believe the smiling photos are from mugshots…”</p>
<p>I’d thought they were yearbook pictures until I noticed that the cutline said they were supplied by the Orange County Sheriff’s Dept. Apparently the guys really were grinning for their mugshots.</p>
<p>I can see why they are trying to give him 38 years. They probably think that, from time to time, it is good to sentence a cracker to encourage the others.</p>
<p>Anyways, I agree its excessive. Expulsion would be more appropriate. Maybe a year of jail time.</p>
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right actor … wrong movie … it was in War Games that Matthew Brodderick changed grades to impress the girl (and it worked)</p>
<p>Isn’t 38 years pretty much a life sentence…?</p>
<p>some of you are being ridiculous. i don’t think that anybody over the age of 25 should even have an opinion about how these two boys should be sentenced as computer tampering + hacking was not even a problem before the 90s. Pressure of getting into college was obviously an immense factor for these boys, as was the fact that these guys probably never thought that it was gonna blow up in their faces like this.
Indeed, they made some really stupid mistakes, but they should most definitely not be punished in this manner. Even if they are released today with just an expulsion from high school, they will be scared ****-less to ever commit or think of committing a crime in the future. Seriously though, everybody makes mistakes, and mistakes deserve second chances. I say these two guys definitely deserve second chances to prove others that they are better than this.</p>
<p>Overall, if they had good records thus far which I am certain they have…then they will most likely get off with youthful offender status hopefully and a few years of probation.</p>
<p>I just can’t believe how any of you would even begin to think that these guys deserve any jail time whatsoever. Jail time = no employment/academic opportunities in life whatsoever. Thus, having said this, this means that their lives would be utterly and completely ruined for a mistake at the age of 18. Wouldn’t you agree?</p>
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<p>It’s the right movie. Ferris complains about wanting a car and receiving a computer. He then changes his attendance record to reflect having no absences while the high school principal is on the phone with his mother explaining his poor record.</p>
<p>my friend hacked into the system and deleted a teacher’s account. all that happened was he lost his computer privileges for a few months. He had a good relationship with that teacher.</p>
<p>“why would they do this?” c’mon guys. stop acting like it’s the most pointless thing you ever heard about. you must see that there is a certain thrill. why would you tp someone? why play senior pranks? if you learn how to hack into the school computer system, wouldn’t you at least entertain the thought that it would be fun to try? of course, you should be responsible enough to realize that the risk greatly outweighs anything else.</p>
<p>You people are really pushing it with the soapbox here.</p>
<p>We know better than anyone the pressure of getting into a good college. It’s not about bringing a gold star home to mommy and daddy and getting pizza instead of broccolis anymore, it’s about your very future these days. At least that’s what’s being fed to these kids. “Get into HYP and you’re set for life”. </p>
<p>School advisers, overachieving peers, parents, sibling, newsweek, and countless others are singing the praises of the GCS (Getting into a Good College’ syndrome).</p>
<p>Kids are overextending themselves, doing sports, volunteer work, an obscene amount of extracurricular activities, on top of keeping that 4.0, acing the SATs, and getting the internship that will make their application to HYPMSC stand out. </p>
<p>Parents, who can afford it, are shilling out thousands of dollars a semester to give their kids the right prep courses, the application guidance counselors and they damn well want to see those big envelopes come admission time. All that pressure is channeled into the kids. “Failure is not an option” becomes a motto under the umbrella of “wanting the best for you”.</p>
<p>Is it really that big of a stretch that some of these kids would resolve to cheating to get the grades? I’m bet an arm and a leg that while you people are picturing slackers, these kids are actually 3.6 GPA overachievers. (The slackers don’t care enough to cheat).</p>
<p>They’re using their resources, which for some is expensive tutoring, others caffeine pills, and in this case; advanced hacking.</p>
<p>It’s a crime. ABSOLUTELY.The kids lacked the sense and perhaps even moral fiber to do crap like this. But it’s a situation in which society isn’t really blameless. The atmosphere fostered these days when it comes to competition for colleges is truly baffling. And with no one there to put things in perspective for them, kids are going to great lengths to play the game and win.</p>
<p>Since when is stealing a master key to break in and using stolen passwords and IDs hacking? Ask any self respecting hacker and this is not hacking - this is burglary, breaking and entering, theft, etc. No honor there.</p>
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<p>Yeah, what n008s. </p>
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<p>What if for every Khan and Singh that get caught, there’s a plethora of kids that get away with it? Perhaps hacking into a computer system to change your grades has a positive expected value, and Khan and Singh were just unfortunate to be the minority that got busted. Sort of like if you had a 95% chance of winning $100, but a 5% chance to lose $1000, for a tangible example.</p>
<p>“this is burglary, breaking and entering”</p>
<p>Maybe so, but suppose they had physically broken into the school to steal a mascot. Undoubtedly, that’s a crime, but I don’t think years in jail would be a punishment to fit the crime. Expulsion + probation would be the right call in that case, as in this one.</p>
<p>I’m not saying that they deserve 30+ years behind bars - far from it. But they didn’t just use a computer or two while the teacher wasn’t looking.</p>
<p>this is wayyyy excessive. i think they should get into college just for having the skills to do that.</p>
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Incorrect. I have family members who have served jail time and this has not been their experience.</p>
<p>haha my sister goes there…these kids will never do any time.</p>
<p>Wow.</p>
<p>At my school, a senior this year went into a teacher’s room when the teacher wasn’t around and changed his own and some other’s grades.</p>
<p>He got somewhere around 2 days of suspension but that was it. He was still even allowed to be an office aide after the event.</p>
<p>While it makes me angry that the punishment for the kid at my school was so light, I find 38 years to be a bit excessive. I mean, if the full extent is taken, they’ll be almost in their 60’s when they get out. 38 years is half the average life expectancy.</p>
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<p>I would agree that this admission “may” be in jeopardy, unless he could defer until he got out of prison lol</p>
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<p>What a great lawyer if he can say that with a straight face.</p>
<p>on the preggo girl pact:
wow i have never heard of anything more ridiculous than that, kinda seems like they are throwing away their lives. and a homelss guy? how smashed does a girl have to be to let a homeless dude bang her?!
on the two guys that broke into their school:
lol 38 years, their lives are pretty much over… must have benn pretty high to go and do that.</p>
<p>with all the talk of these kids lives getting ruined at age 18 for mistakes of desperation, i’m just gonna throw this out there</p>
<p>what about the 18 year old poor inner city kid who turns to selling crack and ends up with 25 years? and 25 years of hard time. </p>
<p>Is it really that different? Why do we differentiate so between white collar and blue collar non-violent crime?</p>
<p>It’s unfortunate that this thread is titled “Hacking…” as it propagates a lot of confusion about the term. The correct word that is needed here is Cracking. Hacking is referred to collectively by the computer science in place of programming. Hacking is a benevolent pursuit. The moment it becomes a malevolent setup where you are trying to gain access to things you shouldn’t have access to, it’s referred to as cracking.</p>
<p>I know most people on here don’t care too much about the terminology, but don’t be surprised if people refer to themselves hackers. The majority of the greatest programmers on the planet refer to themselves as hackers on a daily basis.</p>