<p>[qoute]PLEASE TELL ME WHY WOULD THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT MAKE THIER OWN LIST OF CIVILIANS THEY HAVE KILLED?????[/qoute]</p>
<p>I didn't get my list from the Israeli government, I got it from the media. The media lets me know every time there is an explosion in the Palestinian territories, and it tells me which terrorist leader was killed as well as how many innocent bystanders were involved. They would surely have reported it if Israel was targeting civilians...</p>
<p>Read Cuse -- I urge to read.</p>
<p>Released by The Regional Council for Unrecognized Villages </p>
<p>On Tuesday, January 17, 2006 in the early morning about 200 Israeli soldiers came with two bulldozers to demolish several houses of Bedouin families living in the Naqab.</p>
<p>At 7 o'clock they started demolishing the house of Khaled al Nasasra living in the unrecognized village of Abu Solub, leaving him, his wife and his seven children with no dwelling. Right afterwards the soldiers moved on to another unrecognized village called Tlal Rashed where they pulled down the home of Khaleel Al-Hauashla. Another house of Al-Ataiga has been demolished in an unrecognized village just behind Rahat. </p>
<p>All those families are left with nothing but despair. They have no alternative accommodation for the night, making the situation worse is the fact that it is winter and very cold and rainy outside. </p>
<p>Pictures of House Demolition in Abu Solub. Note that the Bulldozers being used are made by VOLVO - Click on thumbnails to view pictures </p>
<p>Residents of the unrecognized villages - Israeli citizens - cannot build their houses legally, lacking any government planning policy in their villages and the government even acknowledges that this "illegal" building is done out of necessity. Nevertheless home demolitions are carried out in order to make the population abandon the land and force them into the government established 'concentration towns' to vacate the lands for Jewish settlements. The townships however are unable to absorb the entire population of the unrecognized villages. </p>
<p>This is a shamefully racist policy that is destroying the lives of entire families whose homes have been destroyed. Furthermore, this policy is clearly in violation of Israel's Basic Laws.</p>
<p>Before houses are demolished the state does not investigate a family's living alternatives and all those families of Tuesday's demolitions are left with no accommodation. What is making the situation worse is the way that demolitions are carried out - in a very brutal and cruel way. A large group of soldiers with their riffles in their arms, entering a family's home in the early morning and chasing everybody out, irrespective of the women and little children. Those women and children were left alone, crying out of fear and desperation, with no psychologist or anyone else to take care of them.</p>
<p>It is known that there are another 10.000 houses that the government wants to demolish because they were built without building permits. At the same time there are 1000 houses in Jewish settlements that were also built without permit, but not even one of them is subjected to demolition order. </p>
<p>Arabs are citizens of Israel - same as Jews - and should be treated equally. The government has to support those citizens and not destroy their homes. </p>
<p>The Association of the Naqab as well as the Regional Council for Unrecognized Villages has decided to rebuild the houses that were demolished yesterday because those families cannot be left without dwelling during winter season. We also wish to contact the acting PM Ehud Olmert because the situation can not continue like that. Houses cannot be demolished, especially not when it is as cold and rainy outside as it is now but an appropriate solution must be found for the Arabs living in the Naqab, helping them instead of destroying their lives.</p>
<p>[qoute]you are clearly welcoming and condoning what just happened last week by Israel. [/qoute]</p>
<p>I am condoning the arrest of suspected terrorist leaders, not the killing of innocents. You are welcoming and condoning suicide bombings in shopping malls. Which is worse?</p>
<p>Exactly, good one, finally you have made a good analysis. yes, by my definition every state sponsors terrorism. In a way this is true. Many states have/currently are sponsoring terrorism. But lets look at it this way, Israel was wrong to take Palestinian land in the first place. They are continuing thier soverign state sponsored terrorism. America attacked Iraq and afghanistan, while civilians were killed, we killed it to rid the world of threats like Osama and Saddam. Israel is not doing that. Israel is terrorizing Palestinians who are right in fighting for thier land back by n e means necessary.</p>
<p>hmh, </p>
<p>Cry me a river. I asked you for evidence of Israeli soldiers specifically killing civilians with the sole purpose of killing as many as possible. So far you haven't been able to provide me with any, which only proves my point even more.</p>
<p>[qoute]Israel is terrorizing Palestinians who are right in fighting for thier land back by n e means necessary.
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<p>NO. Not by any means necessary. There is NO excuse to kill civilians, anywhere, any time. </p>
<p>How can you condone killing civilians? How????</p>
<p>Suppose you take my car. Is it right for me to kill your family because of that?</p>
<p>How can you support blowing up innocent people??? I don't understand how that is logically possible...</p>
<p>"I didn't get my list from the Israeli government, I got it from the media. The media lets me know every time there is an explosion in the Palestinian territories, and it tells me which terrorist leader was killed as well as how many innocent bystanders were involved. They would surely have reported it if Israel was targeting civilians..."</p>
<p>NO SHIZZLE you got it from the media. THE MEDIA WHICH WILL ONLY WRITE ABOUT WHEN ISRAELIS ARE KILLED. It will never tell you the proper amount of civilians killed, only arab newspapers will. but i doubt they are ur sources. I BESEECH YOU TO GO BACK AND READ MY POST ON THE ECONOMICS OF NEWSPAPERS.</p>
<p>guguru, were you one of the people jumping up and down in delight on 9/11?</p>
<p>Sorry man, but the media does write about it when Palestinians are killed. Trust me, I lived 6 miles from the Gaza strip, I heard an explosion, a few hours later I turned on CNN and it told me how many Palestinians were killed, how many were injured, and what they were doing at the time.</p>
<p>But according to your logic killing civilians is fine...</p>
<p>guguru, </p>
<p>If I went out an killed an arab because of 9/11 would you be happy for me?</p>
<p>"Cry me a river. I asked you for evidence of Israeli soldiers specifically killing civilians with the sole purpose of killing as many as possible. So far you haven't been able to provide me with any, which only proves my point even more."</p>
<p>O dear God/Allah/Yahweh you are driving me crazy. Like i said, the only right sources for palestinian civilian dead will be sources that were there on the ground, like Arab newspapers. I'm too lazy to find them, but hmh01 isnt. And the Israeli gov/IDF will never say they target civilians, they are a GOVERNEMTN/OFFICIAL ARMY WITH A REPUTATION TO MAINTAIN IN INTERNATIONAL EYES. PALESTINIANS DONT CARE ANY MORE, THEY JUST WANT WHAT IS RIGHTLY THERES. </p>
<p>"There is NO excuse to kill civilians, anywhere, any time."
omg grow up and smell the gunpowder, of course theres no excuse, but it will happen, and when a israeli soldier is in a palestinian town and kills a civilian, (out of anger/nervousenss etc) he wont go tell his highest officer that he did. And if a palestinian finds the body and tries telling the newspapesr, who are hte newspapers gonna believe? a palestinian in rags or a high ranking official of israel? my bets are on the guy from israel.</p>
<p>guguru,</p>
<p>The average Israeli has nothing to do with what an Israeli soldier does in Gaza. Just like the average Muslim had nothing to do with 9/11.</p>
<p>So why should either be killed?</p>
<p>Cuse
Is it obvious, you choose to read what you want and discard what you want. In this tactic of yours of beating around the bush. You claim solidarity with the actions of the Israeli government who is up against a group of unarmed people with no army or stable government with an economy that is unimaginable while receiving at least $7 Billion dollars in aid from their closest friend (The US). You perceive any civilian who carries an AK 47 to be a terrorist. You perceive a child who throws stones at a IDF soldier to be a terrorist. You are happy when you hear of an arrest of a Palestinian on accounts of charges that are not presented to you. You are pleased when villages and houses are demolished and children are left on the street. </p>
<p>You choose what to read and how to read it. You choose what facts to list and what facts to ignore. Typical...</p>
<p>Get it together and your chances of defending your own political philosophies are going down the drain. The predecesors upon which Israel was founded clearly outlined their goals and strategies in their speeches. Yet you chose to read one or few and claim their speeches were of the past. </p>
<p>The United States of America still lives up to what the country was founded upon. Do you think Israel is any different?</p>
<p>"The only solution is Eretz Israel, or at least Western Eretz Israel (all the land west of Jordan River), without Arabs. There is no room compromise on this point ... We must not leave a single village, not a single tribe." Joseph Weitz, Director of the Jewish National Fund, the Zionist agency charged with acquiring Palestinian land, Circa 194. Machover Israca, January 5, 1973 p.2.</p>
<p>"guguru, were you one of the people jumping up and down in delight on 9/11?"</p>
<p>no, thats pretty immature to say. i was horrified at the event and at the fact the people who follow my religion will twist it into a reason to kill 4000 innocent people. And by the way, we're talking about israel/palestine, which is a completely differnet situation from 9/11.</p>
<p>"If I went out an killed an arab because of 9/11 would you be happy for me?"</p>
<p>If a relative of yours was killed and you decided to kill an arab because of this, i wouldnt really "jump for joy" but i would understand the reason of why you did it.</p>
<p>"The average Israeli has nothing to do with what an Israeli soldier does in Gaza. Just like the average Muslim had nothing to do with 9/11."</p>
<p>Yes, the average Israeli supports what an israelli soldier does and once turend 18 would probalby go into the reserves. Not even .1% of the worlds Muslim population follows the extremist ideals the terrorists do. I do not support them, do you see that im calling them terrorists. They contort Islam for thier own means and are brainwashed by the mullahs in 3rd world countries where they have nothign else to do.</p>
<p>and i bet now you are gonna say that i enjoy watching israeli citizens die. </p>
<p>no</p>
<p>but i think they should have realized that what they are doing is wrong, and the palestinians are mad enough that they dont care what israeli they hurt as long as its an israeli</p>
<p>[qoute]If a relative of yours was killed and you decided to kill an arab because of this, i wouldnt really "jump for joy" but i would understand the reason of why you did it. [/qoute]</p>
<p>Well that is a problem. Why should an innocent Arab be killed who had nothing to do with 9/11?</p>
<p>Similarly, why should an innocent Jew be killed who had nothing to do with the killing of Palestinians?</p>
<p>This cycle will go nowhere. I admit my comments were immature and out of line, but they serve the purpose of only giving you an example that the world is not all black/white. No innocents should ever be killed, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli. I condemn it when Israel kills civilians, I just don't understand why you can't condemn it when Palestinians kill civilians?</p>
<p>[qoute]but i think they should have realized that what they are doing is wrong, and the palestinians are mad enough that they dont care what israeli they hurt as long as its an israeli[/qoutre]</p>
<p>What has the average Israeli child done wrong other than be born in Israel? They are wrong just for being born Israeli? That is a pretty narrow viewpoint...No one deserves to die just for being born.</p>
<p>"Similarly, why should an innocent Jew be killed who had nothing to do with the killing of Palestinians?"
they dont really say their targets are jews, their targets are israelis. im tryin to debate this without resorting to the religion of either side.</p>
<p>"This cycle will go nowhere. I admit my comments were immature and out of line, but they serve the purpose of only giving you an example that the world is not all black/white. No innocents should ever be killed, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli. I condemn it when Israel kills civilians, I just don't understand why you can't condemn it when Palestinians kill civilians?"</p>
<p>first off, when you are debating try not to directly say your comments are immature because that really really hurts/kills parts of ur debate. second, now youre backing off ur original stance and beign a humanitarian. of course palestinians kill civilians. duh. but you hafta see what choices they have and why they are doing it.
i alrady said the crimes against isrealis citiznes were "sad and terrible"</p>
<p>"What has the average Israeli child done wrong other than be born in Israel? They are wrong just for being born Israeli? That is a pretty narrow viewpoint...No one deserves to die just for being born."</p>
<p>Well, you can be sure that they fully support the Israeli side and most will join the IDF. so should palestinians be bombed and tortured for having been born palestinian??</p>
<p>I think the conclusion is that innocents unfortunately die in war, but that cannot be stopped.</p>