Harder to get into OOS: UVA or UMich

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That is not correct. Anyone can apply with any record. Indeed, many instaters plan to complete a required a-g course during senior year. But if they don’t complete the course (drop it mid-year) or pass it with an appropriate grade, any conditional acceptance is automatically withdrawn after the transcripts arrive. It appears as a “rejection” for reporting purposes on the CDS, but in effect the applicant was not minimally eligible to apply in the first place. (Indeed, this is how some are “rejected” by Merced.)

That’s because they actually listed the course on the app. I remember it was one of the check box when I applied. You don’t need to “complete” it. If you have it on the app saying you’re taking it during your senior year, you should be able to complete the app.
Deadline is at the end of Nov, so if you’re taking it, it should be on the app. I really doubt a significant number of OOS put down they’re taking the art course when they don’t.

Which part don’t you agree with? That UC gives bonus points to low income applicants? That some low income applicants might have great stats? That most OOS applicants to Cal are full pay, i.e., top ~5% income earners in the country?

Just because A is true, B is true, C is true doesn’t mean A&B&C is true.
Since we’re talking about the tippy top, most come from well to do families. Even if there are a few ragamuffins in the mix, it wouldn’t change the number in any significant way.
What I said was:

• OOS acceptance rate is harder than IS. (don’t look at the aggregated 22% IS vs. 28% OOS, because at the lower end, there is no OOS)
• OOS at Cal/UCLA should have higher stats than at UVA/UNC-CH since average stats at Cal/UCLA is quite higher than UVA/UNC-CH. </p>

<p>If SATs for OOS at UNC-CH are 150 higher than IS, then they’re just average at Cal/UCLA.<br>
It’s incredibly hard for OOS to gain admissions at Cal/UCLA if their stats are at the average.</p>