Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates arrested

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<p>read the police report -as posted earlier and then read this:
[Henry</a> Louis Gates Jr. is arrested for breaking into his own house](<a href=“http://www.theroot.com/views/what-do-you-call-black-man-phd?hpid=artslot]Henry”>http://www.theroot.com/views/what-do-you-call-black-man-phd?hpid=artslot)</p>

<p>Mind you that Lawrence Bobo was NOT an eye witness while the police report is a legal document. There is a complete disconnect between the two accounts.</p>

<p>It’s almost like African-American’s want all white people (or maybe just white cops) to be racist.</p>

<p>I’m weighing in my mind how I recently responded to observing what very clearly looked like a house break-in, next door to where my D lives in a university neighborhood. Hers is a student apartment neighborhood, a few blocks from Brown U, in Providence, Rhode Island (Let’s give Cambridge a rest for a minute). House and car burglaries occur, sporadically, in her neighborhood.</p>

<p>Point is: we as parents are stakeholders in that neighborhood, although not residents. We certainly cared when we saw what appeared to be a daytime crime in progress, right next door to our D’s apartment. </p>

<p>We had just exited her apartment. D was at work so not there to tell us who was a neighbor, who wasn’t. Walking to our parked car, we saw an open window on the first floor of a house, screen off to the side, with two long, willowy legs sticking out into the daylight. </p>

<p>We went over to see if we should either help or call for help. We weren’t afraid to approach, either, perhaps because we were two people, or to add honestly: because the legs were female and white.</p>

<p>I said to the legs, “Hellooo?” (My D would have been so embarassed.)</p>

<p>A girl emerged and said “I know this looks like I’m breaking in, but I live here. My boyfriend took my keys again. This is the only way I can get in.”</p>

<p>I said, “Okay, good luck and winked, 'maybe it’s time for a new boyfriend.”</p>

<p>What if, instead of that, we’d have immediately called the police on her?
Run the scenario in your mind: how do you imagine the cop would have appraoched her? </p>

<p>And I’m so cautious that as we continued onward to our car, I still asked my H, “does that sound legit? Should we call the police?” and he just laughed, saying "Nah, you can’t make up a story like that; she’s fine. " I forgot it until this Gates story. </p>

<p>So that’s some common sense. Speaking of common sense, I wonder if
the Cambridge neighbor, who you know was watching that property like a hawk awaiting police, did or did not mention to the officer if she saw luggage being walked INTO Gates’ front door? His report says he met her on the sidewalk before approaching Gates’ home. </p>

<p>Lots to think about. I hope a lot of students take this up as a termpaper topic next term.</p>

<p>It seems so simple: The police realized they were wrong, and dropped the charges.</p>

<p>[url=<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072101771.html]washingtonpost.com[/url”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072101771.html]washingtonpost.com[/url</a>]</p>

<p>Washington post article with a photo of the arrest. Note the Black Police officer allowing the arrest to take place. I wonder if he is racist too.</p>

<p>There’s one thing some of the posters should know-a police officer can arrest you for pretty much anything. It doesn’t mean that you’ll get charged, but if you’re rude you can get arrested. Most officers won’t do that. It is in fact a fair claim that if you take such offense to being yelled at by irate or angry people or not being given respect you shouldn’t be a police officer. Hopefully more are like catera’s husband than the type that arrested Professor Gates. That being said, a wizened individual (like Professor Gates is expected to be) wouldn’t take that chance. He wouldn’t be rude, he wouldn’t yell, he wouldn’t be condescending, regardless of what his status might be. People have gotten shot at in the past for less.</p>

<p>Edit:
JustAMomof4-just after reading that link you posted (with Gates’ own commentary), I’m sure what the cop stated couldn’t have been far from the truth. The “Professor” doesn’t strike me as a particularly intelligent individual-and before anyone accuses me of being racist I’m Black lol.</p>

<p>These episodes are opportunities for people to think and measure how well our society is progressing to eliminate racism, and distrust; and to consider police and community behavior. </p>

<p>If the Gates arrest moves into the realm of academic inquiry, it’s worth considering. It’s an illuminating event, IMHO.</p>

<p>Re post #81; that comment pretty much tells me all I care to know about your attitudes and perspective on fairness and justice in race relations.</p>

<p>“I read the police report and it appears that when the Cambridge cop told Gates he was investigating a neighbor’s report of a break-in, Gates’ response was, “Why, because I’m a black man in America?” The cop could be lying, but that response seems in character for Gates.”</p>

<p>What personal knowledge do you have of Gates to make such a statement?</p>

<p>I’ve actually know Gates and even was on an affirmative action panel that he moderated very gracefully including his moderation of a well known person who was against affirmative action.</p>

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<p>This is just absurd. How about wanting not to be arrested at their own home when no laws have been broken? I would think everyone would want that, no?</p>

<p>NSM:</p>

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<p>[Gates</a> Says He Is Outraged by Arrest at Cambridge Home - washingtonpost.com](<a href=“http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072101771_2.html]Gates”>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/21/AR2009072101771_2.html)</p>

<p>He admits to saying that himself, according to the article. People aren’t the same in a real life setting as they’re in an academic one.</p>

<p>“I don’t see how merely asking for ID from an African American male who is inside a house at which a neighbor reported a burglary in progress being committed by an African American male is racial profiling. That is the least that I would expect from a police officer on the scene.”</p>

<p>Appropriate to ask. Not appropriate to not accept 2 forms of ID. How much proof does a person need that he is in the house that is his legal residence?</p>

<p>The DMV would want at least six. :wink: But in all seriousness, NSM, read the link. It’s from the “Prof’s” own POV. The guy didn’t arrest him because he thought he was a burglar. He was arrested because he acted like an ass to the officer and got his own handed to him.</p>

<p>“I think the police officer was ****ed off at the professor’s arguing and confrontation, which isn’t against the law as far as I am aware.”</p>

<p>Right. Even if the arguing and confrontation occurred – which is disputed – it’s completely out of bounds to arrest a gray-haired man on his own property for being rude to a police officer. It is undisputed that at the time of the arrest, the police officer had seen and accepted Prof. Gates’s ID and believed he belonged in the home. So according to the police officer’s own version of events, he arrested Gates for making snotty remarks on his own front porch. That’s not even close to a crime.</p>

<p>And the police now say it was wrong to have arrested him. Why doesn’t that satisfy Gates’ critics?</p>

<p>There was a veritable gaggle of officers present at the arrest. They could not have felt threatened so they really arrested him because he made an arse of himself? Really? Because he said rude things to them? Really? If I were a real criminal in Cambridge, I could have my bud distract a whole bunch of cops by sticking their tongues out and calling them names while I held up the local liquor store.</p>

<p>“The DMV would want at least six. But in all seriousness, NSM, read the link. It’s from the “Prof’s” own POV. The guy didn’t arrest him because he thought he was a burglar. He was arrested because he acted like an ass to the officer and got his own handed to him.”</p>

<p>So, Gates asked for a badge number and said something like, “So this is what happens to black men in the U.S.” That’s not a reason to arrest anyone even if Gate shouted those statements.</p>

<p>First Amendment: Freedom of Speech.</p>

<p>Why else would the officer have arrested him? According to **both **the “Prof” and the cop, the officer was leaving the premises when Gates came out to continue asking him questions. The officer knew he wasn’t a burglar (NSM please change the title of the thread on the Harvard forum you started because that’s deliberately misleading) and had accepted his ID. Look, obviously the cop exercised poor judgment in arresting him, but as one poster gave an example of-you can be arrested for pretty much anything that makes a cop po’d. You may not get charged (or the charges will be dropped) but can get arrested. cartera, if a cop stopped to speak with you and you stuck out your tongue and said “hey loser” and were arrested I wouldn’t be surprised. Even if you are female much smaller than the cops. It shouldn’t have happened, but it’s within their power to do so. </p>

<p>The reason why people are criticizing Gates’ is that this isn’t necessarily a racial issue. I wouldn’t dismiss the probability out of hand, but I definitely wouldn’t stand by it. And if you listen to his ostentatious language in the Washington Post, you can tell he’s making it out to a be a bigger deal than it really is. And the real problem with this behavior is, if you cry wolf all the time, people won’t really know when there is a wolf. This becomes a problem for when there is <em>real</em> and <em>dangerous</em> racism by cops going on.</p>

<p>First amendment doesn’t give you the right to do say whatever you want to whomever you want and you know that.</p>

<p>This is what American society has come to in the year 2009. In fact nothing is changed since the civil rights movement.</p>

<p>Blacks are excused from bad behavior any and every time as long as there are white, liberal, middle-age women coming out of “rich white surrounding” to defend the oppressed, poor blacks who have not stood for themselves in two centuries. My apology to you if you are one of few blacks who genuinely work hard for society’s betterment. But the answer is in numbers. Sorry, numbers can’t lie or distort the big picture.</p>

<p>What makes this especially anquishing is this time it is no poor black but a supposed “top” scholar. Seems like all those books he read did nothing to expand his mind about racial tolerance for which whites have accepted to a large degree. </p>

<p>There is no denying. White America has stopped being racist while many blacks are still racist against whites. It’s their excuse for entitlement. If a black Harvard professor acts this way - he was quoted saying “I don’t have to give you my name. You don’t know who you are dealing with.” for example - is there hope for lesser educated blacks ? </p>

<p>Progress will be slow if ever if black americans do not admit this and work toward changing, if they continue to be “shepple” brainwashed by the same old drivels that *white men are the devils *and *whites have to do all the changing <a href=“echo%20Rev%20Wright”>/I</a>.</p>

<p>For those who think that police are always truthful:</p>

<p>"A settlement has been reached in the Tulia drug sting case. According to the New York Times on March 11, 2004 ( “$5 Million Settlement Ends Case Of Tainted Texas Sting”), “Five years after 46 people, almost all of them black, were arrested on fabricated drug charges in Tulia, Tex., their ordeal will draw to a close today with the announcement of a $5 million settlement in their civil suit and the disbandment of a federally financed 26-county narcotics task force responsible for the arrests.” "…</p>

<p>Nearly all those convicted in the Tulia drug sting a few years ago were pardoned by the governor of Texas in late August. As reported by the Abilene Reporter-News on Aug. 23, 2003 ( “Perry Pardons 35 Convicted In Tulia Case”), “Gov. Rick Perry on Friday granted pardons to 35 people who were convicted of drug charges based on the testimony of an undercover agent later charged with perjury. ‘Texans demand a justice system that is tough but fair,’ Perry said in a statement. ‘I believe my decision to grant pardons in these cases is both appropriate and just.’ Perry said he was influenced by questions about the testimony of Tom Coleman, the only undercover agent involved in the busts. In June, Perry signed a bill allowing the release of the 12 Tulia defendants who were still in prison.” Also earlier in summer, the Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles unanimously recommended that the governor issue the pardons.</p>

<p>Two of the other innocent victims in the Tulia case are filing suit in federal court over the arrests. The Longview News-Journal reported on Aug. 24, 2003 ( “Pardoned Tulia Drug Defendants Celebrate Release: ‘I’m Really Free’”) that “Drug charges against Zuri Bossett and Tonya White were dropped last year after they proved they were not in Tulia at the time Coleman claimed he bought drugs from them. The women sued Coleman, Swisher County and its sheriff, Larry Stewart, prosecutor Terry McEachern and several officials with a narcotics task force in Amarillo that worked with Coleman. The women, who did not specify damages in their lawsuit, said the officials violated their civil rights and directed racial bias against Tulia’s black population. Coleman’s attorney did not return calls for comment. Stewart declined to comment.”</p>

<p>[Common</a> Sense for Drug Policy Examines Racism, Racial Profiling & Racial Bias In The War On Drugs](<a href=“http://www.csdp.org/news/news/profiling.htm]Common”>http://www.csdp.org/news/news/profiling.htm)</p>

<p>“Blacks are excused from bad behavior any and every time as long as there are white, liberal, middle-age women coming out of “rich white surrounding” to defend the oppressed, poor blacks who have not stood for themselves in two centuries. My apology to you if you are one of few blacks who genuinely work hard for society’s betterment. But the answer is in numbers. Sorry, numbers can’t lie or distort the big picture.”</p>

<p>What exactly did Gates do that meant he should have been arrested? Getting angry at a policeman who doesn’t believe that you’re in your own home even after you give him 2 forms of legitimate ID is an offense worthy of arrest?</p>

<p>Black people shouldn’t ever be angry? One is arrogant if one thinks that just because one is a respectable and respected citizen – with legitimate ID – the police should believe that you are in the home in which you reside?</p>

<p>Blacks should never question white people who are in authority positions?</p>