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<p>Of course. That is what it is here on this forum, an excuse to display varnished racism. I won’t even take this sort of nonsense seriously. I hope that black guy who got into HYPS learns a lot, and then marries and has children who also will be smart enough to get into HYPS - and so on and so forth… And I hope all of them, from himself to all his progeny, will simply turn on their heels and leave the crypto-racists in the dust where they belong.</p>
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<p>So a student that was within HYPS middle 50th percentile and had good ECs was actually accepted at all those schools? I wouldn’t have guessed that given that some 50% of the class enrolled with similar stats, and some 25% enrolled with lesser stats! You’re right, this student obviously wasn’t qualified! Shame on HYPS for taking a qualified black student.</p>
<p>I know white and Asian guys with scores that are below the 25th percentile that are currently attending HYPS. Are you outraged?</p>
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<p>Totally. He was legitimately qualified for each of those schools based on numbers alone and he got in. He totally didn’t deserve it. At all. No praise for him. Anyone can score in the high 90th percentile and get great grades and have typical HYPS EC’s. That’s not special at all and certainly not worthy of distinction.</p>
<p>It’s a shame the poor 911 caller was used by Sgt. Crowley in his attempt to CYA. It’s a shame the way she’s been jerked around in all this—first, being called a “racist”, and then being treated as some kind of traitor by those who initially, and vociferously defended her before the 911 recording and her testimony failed to back up the fiction contained in Sgt. Crowley’s Official Police Report. Interesting too, that from the start, instead of vilifying her, Prof. Gates has said that he did not blame her for placing that call, and indeed thanked for her looking out for him, adding that he hoped his neighbors on Martha’s Vineyard were doing the same. </p>
<p>The “teachable moment” in all this for any potential 911 caller is that that which you report to the police as having witnessed won’t necessarily end up being the same thing as what’s in the final Official Police Report:rolleyes:</p>
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<p>I don’t know what you know about admissions, but the officers evaluate you in terms of your school and opportunities and NOT against everyone in the admissions pool. For instance with my application I sent in my 16 page paper where I developed an equation to model the probability for photons to undergo quantum tunneling. At a school like Bronx Science that would be typical, but because I went to a typical suburban high school and did the research in my bedroom it stood out. </p>
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<p>So from this, the kid played sports, had typical HYPS scores, and played music. Hmmm, sounds like he was plenty qualified even you admit he should have gotten into one. Well I will assuage your fears of qualified URM’s getting accepted to every HYPS. I (with scores that were in the top 25% of the applicants accepted), tons of awards in science research, debate, music, and football, and leadership positions in three clubs still got rejected from Harvard and Princeton. Trust me, the minorities who get accepted to these schools deserve it.</p>
<p>“The only time I ever “recoiled”, so to speak, from a black kid at my school was when they applied to selective colleges and got accepted everywhere with ease (two of HYPS, out of two applied). That wasn’t a result of disliking him, but a result of me disliking that everyone was celebrating his accomplishments despite the racism (AA) that had been integral in his attainment of them.”</p>
<p>although this poster may have prematurely jumped to conclusions, i definitely see where they are coming from. my best friend is black, and he lives across the street from me. he has had every opportunity and advantage that i’ve had. i have slightly better grades and scores, but he’s probably going to get into a much better college than me. in this sense, i feel like he has an unfair advantage. i think AA should be based on income.</p>
<p>also, to whoever said something about me trivializing the argument, i was pointing out that the people in North’s stories did not share the view of the majority of people.</p>
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<p>Are you sure about this? I mean from my high school the only time black kids got into top 10 schools they were outstanding.</p>
<p>It’s quite funny that African-Americans and other minorities who assert that whites can’t actually hope to understand how they feel about racism then try to pretend they know how whites feel about affirmative action. I’ll address the other concerns later. I forgot attacking AA on CC invites the PC police.</p>
<p>yeah he’s my best friend. he has a 3.4 and a 2010</p>
<p>and there was this kid from harvard who got in from my school with a 3.5, scattered EC’s, and a 2100 SAT. these are respectable stats, but not harvard quality.</p>
<p>btw my family is really really italian. every time we go out as a group, somebody says some slur or some other offensive comment. however, i still can’t empathize w/ other people who get angry over comments b/c the people saying them are very ignorant and i honestly don’t care what they think. i know a lot of black people that have this mentality too, but there’s always people who get infuriated over nutjobs’ comments</p>
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<p>You can judge “Harvard quality” better than Harvard’s admissions officers, who themselves also are Harvard grads? Interesting…</p>
<p>"but of course she did the right thing, and i think cambridge pd might have released the tape of her call earlier. "</p>
<p>They didn’t release it earlier because the call indicated that Crowley was lying about the 2 “black” men.</p>
<p>amciw, we’re not being pc police. You’re being overtly racist and we’re calling you out. You’re mad because a objectively qualified student got into the colleges he applied to.</p>
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<p>What you dismissive refer to as the PC police are actually people who realize how wrong you are.</p>
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<p>Are you sure about that - the part about the best friend that is? </p>
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<p>Are you all speaking Italian or are you all wearing tee shirts that say “big Italian family”? Just what are you doing, as a group, that identifies you as Italian? Whatever that is - stop doing it and the comments will probably stop.</p>
<p>Just saw a hilarious commercial on HBO for “Gates Home Security.” It shows black guy in a dark hoodie trying to break into a house inhabited by a young white woman and her child. She screams and an alarm goes off scaring away the intruder. The security service calls her and asks if everything is okay. She says they were attacked by a black intellectual. The guy responds “Was it Professor Henry Louis Gates?” The distraught woman answers “I don’t know, but I think he had tenure. It could have been Cornell West.”</p>
<p>They then cut to the corporate advertising slogan: " When Black Intellectuals Strike, We Take Affirmative Action." This is followed by a long list of distinguished black intellectuals and scholars that the service protects against.</p>
<p>It’s already up on youtube – search on “Gates home security.”</p>
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<p>This is pretty sad that some people feel this way. I personally lost my best friend over admission nonsense. Except he was no where near me in terms of academic ability, yet he started talking behind my back with other people about how I didn’t deserve to get into Yale. This was after we were REALLY, REALLY, REALLY close like confide in each other close, and if you know about men that means we were REALLY close. So I was really hurt and stop talking to him entirely. He is going to a local state school and I will probably never see him again. It is really sad, so I just hope you don’t act the same way. </p>
<p>P.S. The above statement sounded really gay in retrospect, LOL.</p>
<p>I’m not being overtly racist, unless you consider criticizing affirmative action racist (I’ll give you a short hint - it’s not.) I’m not mad that an “objectively qualified” student got accepted everywhere, just annoyed that his race made gaining acceptance easier than it did for me. Stop trying to find racism where there is none. I dislike the policy he benefited from and his success as a result of the policy, not him as a person for being black and benefiting from said policy.</p>
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<p>You know nothing of the sort. You don’t know by any means that his getting admitted precluded the admission of any other applicant in your school. Your assumption that it was a matter of “It was either him or me” is a false dichotomy. </p>
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<p>:eek: So, in order for him to merit being admitted to Harvard, he should have to have been a hardship case to boot? Really? Were you a hardship case? Shame on him for not fitting the stereotypical mold of a disadvantaged inner city black kid.:rolleyes: </p>
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<p>They stood out in your school, but you still maintain that he was no more deserving of admission than any other applicant from your school? And his test scores were right at the 50th percentile of applicants admitted to Stanford, but somehow that’s not enough to merit his admission either? So, approximately half those who annually walk the campus of Standford University scored better than he did, and half scored less well, but the reason you weren’t admitted is because he was? Really? Just out of curiosity, in order for you to feel his admission was justified, in which percentile would he have had to have scored? Better than all white applicants? I suppose you were privy to the contents of his essays as well as his teacher recommendations, too. I don’t suppose it’s possible for any of those schools to have been legitimately impressed by any of those things, either, huh? </p>
<p>Ok, I get it now: Black kid got in. You did not. Therefore, the black guy did not deserve to get in.</p>
<p>coreur, that is so funny.</p>
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<p>So basically you are saying, he deserved to get in, but he was black so I am bitter.</p>
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<p>Using “gay” to mean “stupid” is just as wrong as it would be to use “African American” to mean “stupid”.</p>