Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates arrested

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<p>Anyone (of any race) who is even remotely “uppity” to a cop (of any race) is taking the risk of being further inconvenienced. Whether or not that should be the way things are is beside the point. There is a common sense way for all of us to keep interactions with police to a minimum (even in unfortunate circumstances like the incident addressed in this thread). I do believe a calm, deferential attitude is warranted - by everyone. </p>

<p>When we speak to a cop, we speak to a person who risks life and limb every day. A person who carries a firearm, and needs to make split second judgment decisions. I have a hard time with people being quick to judge “good cops” and “bad cops”. It isn’t that I disagree that there are bad ones, it is just that there seems to be a bit of magical thinking out there about what cops actually experience. Sometimes it is like a war zone - you see and experience things which are insane. </p>

<p>It is easy from an armchair to judge what we would do in a certain situation. Reality is sometimes different than what we imagine it to be. Even an inkling of a sense of what it might be like to be a cop should make all of us realize that being extra respectful is the way to go.</p>

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<p>Is that REALLY the case? Is there a report signed by the arresting officer that states that he asked Gates to step outside AFTER showing proof of identity? </p>

<p>Again, neither the police report nor the press release issue by the representatives of Gates confirm such events. Quite to the contrary! Gates first refused to step outside, then refused to provide an ID, and was patronizing and belligerent for NO valid reason. After presenting his IDs to the police, he decided to escalate the issues for his own satisfaction. </p>

<p>Why is it so important to twist and churn the facts? Repeating the same fabrications over and over will not magically make them become true.</p>

<p>I am more surprised by the points that were made at the beginning of the thread with people being surprised that the person who called the police didn’t know who he was.</p>

<p>I bet 99.99% [and probably some more 9s on the end] of people in the US have never heard of this guy. More people probably know his name now than ever before. Maybe he has a new book coming out and he is looking to get it into the curriculum at other universities, so he went for some publicity.</p>

<p>Cops who abuse citizens should spend a night in jail as sensitivity training. It sounds like this cop thought he could get away with something, and had the bad luck to run into someone who could and would stand up to him. </p>

<p>As noted in this thread, many innocents of color end up dead at the hand of abusive cops, who have an inkling of what it’s like to hold power. Professor Gates may feel lucky to be alive.</p>

<p>I bet 99.99% [and probably some more 9s on the end] of people in the US have never heard of this guy. More people probably know his name now than ever before. Maybe he has a new book coming out and he is looking to get it into the curriculum at other universities, so he went for some publicity.</p>

<p>I live in Seattle and have known who Henry Louis Gates is for sometime.He would be familiar to anyone interested in academia/Boston/American studies.
He was included in Time magazines 25 influential Americans, in 1997 and he is a prolific writer.</p>

<p>I don’t necessarly think that the whole incident stemmed from racial issues, as I have observed that especially in the last few decades, police officers are not always as thoughtful and observant as I would hope- and sometimes make stupid assumptions with negative results.
Perhaps they watch too much TV?</p>

<p>^ Yeah but you could be in .01 category.</p>

<p>Anyway the whole episode is bad on both parties involved. Specially for Gates. He does not appear to be calm and reasoned (he could be prolific writer). Rather than making a scene he could have escalated his grievances through different channels.</p>

<p>This prof was REALLY lucky he was not shot. A local man was killed by a cop on the 4th of July because he did not obey the police orders to stop and kept charging towards the cop who ended up shooting him (the guy had a knife in his hand, but dropped it before he started his run towards the police officer). This does not excuse the cops in either case, but someone who argues with the law enforcement officers risks more than just being arrested.</p>

<p>This does not excuse the cops in either case, but someone who argues with the law enforcement officers risks more than just being arrested.</p>

<p>I agree with this.
I can also imagine someone as opinionated as Gates may be, to not really realize what risks he is running ( or be too distracted to think about it), by being an ass to someone with a badge and a weapon.</p>

<p>Why was Gates asked to provide further proof of his identity (supposedly, beyond the first two which he provided) in order to demonstrate his right to be present on the property in question?</p>

<p>Xiggi, you had “issues” concerning Prof. Gates before this incident, didn’t you?</p>

<p>Why am I not surprised that edvest showed up to spew the outrageously racist generalizations that he has on this thread? I guess it’s really true that birds gotta fly and fish gotta swim. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>vossron posted:
“How can so many continue to defend the cop’s actions when the department has said arresting him was a mistake?” </p>

<p>The fact that the charges were dropped does not necessarily indicate that the police actually felt that arresting Gates was a mistake. Gates is a powerful person in the community with powerful connections at Harvard (and Harvard Law). The apology from the police and the dropping of the charges could well have been an effort to minimize the intimidation and damage that will most likely be brought as a result of this event. It is no secret that the monied and the powerful (and the “squeaky wheel”) can get many things done that are not necessarily legal or ethical. No surprise there.</p>

<p>Folks - people get arrested everyday and the charges are dropped. Disruptive people are taking into custody to diffuse a riotous situation and/or for their own protection.
You just don’t hear about it because it isn’t news.</p>

<p>Read the police report carefully. The police officer asked Gates to step outside when he first arrived at the home because he could not enter the home uninvited legally.
The police officer repeatedly attempted to calm down Gates who got more and more agitated even after the situation was resolved. Gates CHOSE to make a scene. He CHOSE to play to his audience.
In any case the situation was diffused by the arrest. What would have happened if the officers had left with Gates ranting on his front porch, orating to the neighborhood?
The officers likely would have been called back.</p>

<p>I think the police officer was in a lose/lose situation as he drove up to the house. Gates was convinced from the outset that this officer was a racist cop who was out to get him.</p>

<p>If you are inside your own home and an officer is staring at you on the other side of the door and asks you to step outside, I think you might be a little suspicious and outraged and in the dark as to why this is happening. We are looking at the incident as a whole and not as seen thru each other eyes. The truth of the matter is that Mr Gates provided suffient evidence of his legal right to be on his own property. It is at that moment that the officers have no right to be there. He was on his own porch. I have grown up and been around the police culture and have many friends who are married to law enforcement people. believe what you want, but there is this undercurrent of entitlement and superiority with black and white officers. As a nurse in an ER, I see the genuine kindness and humaness of a police officer, we are kin, but on the other side I have seen these same people in the community with the toughness, rudeness and attitudes that I cannot believe these are the same people that I break bread with. it is a tough job.
My very good friend whose husband is a state trooper, actually had the nerve to tell me that in the barracks, there is a poster of 10 troopers with guns drawn on a “sambo” carricature(sp?)lying face down. she actually thought it was funny, I did not. I am African american. So this just reinforces to me that racism is alive and well and the reaction of Mr Gates may have well been justified if not maybe a little overboard but we have not ever, ever walked in his family’s moccassins.</p>

<p>It’s a matter of perspectives. We have to agree to disagree. There is no definitve proof that the incindent was racially motivated. On the other hand there is no definitive proof that it wasn’t.</p>

<p>I see racism as not only alive and well, but growing. Others see something else.</p>

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<p>That is the truth.</p>

<p>Thank you for posting this, Northstarmom. </p>

<p>I don’t necessarily agree with Dr. Gates’ interpretation of the incident as being “racial”, but I’m glad this incident happened, and especially glad that it was resolved with no physical harm done, and that Dr. Gates was able to shed a bright light on what is in general a big problem.</p>

<p>I have heard that Cambridge police are just terrible, and I don’t think it’s a racial thing. Instead of the “presumption of innocence”, their attitude seems to be – assume guilt. That should be addressed, and if all the media attention helps to bring about a change in culture in local law enforcement, that is a net gain, and they owe a big apology and thanks to Dr. Gates, of course, for his courage.</p>

<p>As far as the neighbor calling police, I don’t think there needs to be a racial interpretation of that either. Some people call the police for anything or nothing. My local newspaper publishes police calls, and you wouldn’t believe how pointless some of them are. For instance, a guy called police to say that a neighbor was stealing out of his garden – well, the problem was the guy’s carrots were actually growing deeper in the dirt than he thought! People in hospitals, nursing homes, even McDonald’s call 911 if they feel they aren’t being served fast enough.</p>

<p>The neighbor whose fingers were itchy over the 911 buttons really owes Dr. Gates a huge apology (and a batch of home-baked cookies, at least). He or she must know the kerfuffle he/she caused. What’s wrong with people that they can’t apologize and say they made a mistake?</p>

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<p>You know, a little sensitivity and discretion – WHATEVER the person’s race, sure could have gone a long way. The policeman should have thought – is this man’s story credible?</p>

<p>Unfortunately, one thing could have been done that would have answered many questions: the accompanying friend could have pulled out his cell phone and videotaped the encounter. Really that would be the only solid evidence of the comportment of all concerned, otherwise it’s just the word of one against another.</p>

<p>"Are you claiming that only white cops expect people to be deferential?? A black cop wouldn’t have expected Gates to step outside, wouldn’t have expected him to defer to him?</p>

<p>Are you serious?"</p>

<p>There is a sense of entitlement that comes with the position of being a police officer in that having that kind of power leads to people expecting others to be deferential to them in unreasonable ways, and can lead to police --of any race – abusing their power. Example of how this can happen: </p>

<p>“The Stanford prison experiment was a study of the psychological effects of becoming a prisoner or prison guard. The experiment was conducted in 1971 by a team of researchers led by Psychology Professor Philip Zimbardo at Stanford University. Twenty-four undergraduates were selected out of 70 to play the roles of both guards and prisoners and live in a mock prison in the basement of the Stanford psychology building. Those selected were chosen for their lack of psychological issues, crime history, and medical disabilities, in order to obtain a representative sample. Roles were assigned based on a coin toss.[1]
Prisoners and guards rapidly adapted to their roles, stepping beyond the boundaries of what had been predicted and leading to dangerous and psychologically damaging situations. One-third of the guards were judged to have exhibited “genuine” sadistic tendencies, while many prisoners were emotionally traumatized and two had to be removed from the experiment early. After being confronted by Christina Maslach, a graduate student in psychology whom he was dating,[2] and realizing that he had been passively allowing unethical acts to be performed under his direct supervision, Zimbardo concluded that both prisoners and guards had become too grossly absorbed in their roles and terminated the experiment after six days.”
[Stanford</a> prison experiment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment]Stanford”>Stanford prison experiment - Wikipedia)</p>

<p>White privilege also can lead to an imbalance and grossly different expectations and perceptions in the kind of situation Gates experienced, and it adds another overlay to the situation that Gates was in. </p>

<p>From an essay by University of Texas professor, Robert Jensen, who is white:</p>

<p>"What does that mean? Perhaps most importantly, when I seek admission to a university, apply for a job, or hunt for an apartment, I don’t look threatening. Almost all of the people evaluating me for those things look like me–they are white. They see in me a reflection of themselves, and in a racist world that is an advantage. I smile. I am white. I am one of them. I am not dangerous. Even when I voice critical opinions, I am cut some slack. After all, I’m white.</p>

<p>My flaws also are more easily forgiven because I am white. Some complain that affirmative action has meant the university is saddled with mediocre minority professors. I have no doubt there are minority faculty who are mediocre, though I don’t know very many. As Henry Louis Gates Jr. once pointed out, if affirmative action policies were in place for the next hundred years, it’s possible that at the end of that time the university could have as many mediocre minority professors as it has mediocre white professors. That isn’t meant as an insult to anyone, but is a simple observation that white privilege has meant that scores of second-rate white professors have slid through the system because their flaws were overlooked out of solidarity based on race, as well as on gender, class and ideology.</p>

<p>Some people resist the assertions that the United States is still a bitterly racist society and that the racism has real effects on real people. But white folks have long cut other white folks a break. I know, because I am one of them…"</p>

<p>[Robert</a> W. Jensen–White Privilege](<a href=“http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/whiteprivilege.htm]Robert”>http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rjensen/freelance/whiteprivilege.htm)</p>

<p>" bet 99.99% [and probably some more 9s on the end] of people in the US have never heard of this guy. "</p>

<p>Very true, but 99.99% of the country isn’t Cambridge, Mass., a community of very high educational level and sophistication and with strong ties to Harvard, which is the biggest business in that city. Top Harvard professors (and Gates is one of the most famous Harvard professors) are to Cambridge as Academy Award-winning actors are to Hollywood.</p>

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<p>What, exactly, did Prof. Gates “disrupt”? By the time of his arrest, it was well established that he was the legal resident of the dwelling in question, and home alone. The fact that he made no secret of the fact that he was not happy about being treated like a common criminal in his own home, can hardly be called “disruptive”. Did he verbally threaten the officer? Physically advance upon him, and threaten bodily harm? Are you telling me that the officer in question was justified in abusing his power by arresting a man for failing to be “deferential” enough? Whether or not it was a good idea to verbally confront the officer’s behavior is neither here nor there. This is about legal justification of the arrest. What law had Prof. Gates broken?</p>

<p>poetsheart - the “failure to do right” law. It is unspoken but very much in play.</p>

<p>ncmentor in post #63, very interesting assessment of Cambridge culture – so you see it as a problem of “town vs. gown”? Maybe, that’s an intriguing point.</p>

<p>Another thought I had was: IIRC, Dr. Gates asked for the officer’s name and badge number, which the PO refused to produce.</p>

<p>How would Dr. Gates know whether, absent proper ID being produced on request, this is just a thief or other criminal posing as a police officer? Weirder things have been known to happen. If the PO did not identify himself properly Dr. Gates was well within his rights to resist anything the person on his doorstep demanded of him.</p>