When white flight takes place and areas become predominantly occupied by minorities, public resources are shifted away from them and a downward spiral begins.
Interesting. So where did the white folks go?
I am Latino, and I completely disagree with you. I identify as a white Latino.
Correlation does not imply causation. I read the abstract of the paper, and I think the author works hard to ascribe racism as the main reason. I don’t agree with his findings either.
But do other people consider you to be white?
All the better, or at least not as bad schools around Dayton are located in the suburbs. The exception to this would be Oakwood, which remains one of the top school districts in Ohio.
@Nhatrang If you mean from Cupertino then it varies depending partly on your wealth and how much cash you need to extract from the home sale. Some over the hill to Santa Cruz, some to the North Bay, some to the Sierra foothills, some to Tahoe. The Sierra foothills are pretty common when you need to take a lot of cash out of your house. The Nevada side of Tahoe is common if you want to get out of the California tax net.
Yes. Many people on this forum display a lack of understanding about Latinos in the United States, and even less understanding apparently of race dynamics within Latin countries.
The primary race distinctions in most of Latin America are between black, white (castellanos, gallegos, etc.), mestizo, and indigena. If people think there is terrible and unique racism in the United States, they really have no idea of the conditions in Mexico or Cuba or Colombia or Argentina, just to name a few countries with which I am very familiar. These race (and often class) distinctions carry over into the United States.
Yes, many Latinos consider themselves “white,” and from what I have seen in Florida, non-Latinos seem to consider them to be “white,” as well, whatever that means in the context of the United States.
Yep.
Thanks, makes sense, it seems that the migration is due to people cashing out their super expensive property when they have no tight to the location to make a living. I would move too if i need the money to retire comfortably unless I love the location and want to retire there for whatever reason.
In a way, it is similar to gentrification. I was living in Berkeley and Albany CA between 92 and 97. Some areas in Berkeley bordering Oakland used to be mostly low in come African Americans. I visited a friend when i was there last year and we took a 5 mile walk going around the neighborhood. She reminded me the area used to be a slum infested with drug and crime. Now these houses are 1.2-2.0 M a piece, mostly white folks, most if not all the original owners had gone. I’ve also wonder where they had gone. I hope they cashed out and made a better life elsewhere. But i had a feeling the original owners didn’t sell their houses for 1.2 - 2.0 M, probably a fraction of that at best.
There can be substantial differences in degree of this phenomenon.
A. Some people only care that there is enough of a community (including cultural / religious / culinary / etc. resources) of “their own kind” nearby, but do not mind being in a minority group as long as the community is present.
B. Some people prefer to be in the majority (or at least plurality) group, perhaps because they implicitly believe that minorities will be mistreated no matter what.
C. Some people want to avoid the presence of even small numbers of people not of “their own kind”, preferring highly segregated environments, presumably because they see others as “undesirable” to be around even if those others are present only in small numbers.
“Flight” probably starts with those who hold C viewpoints who may flee even when their group is still a strong majority like 75% or so. But then those with B viewpoints could start to flee as their group falls to around 50%.
Following this thread. Just posting because it’s exhibiting the same problem I’ve experienced in several other threads. It will not update the fact that I’ve read the posts and always starts me at the first one.
Making a post seems to solve the problem…
So officially, my contribution to this is the word ‘post’.
Well, since Cupertino had many Asians, it wasn’t just white folks leaving. My CHINESE neighbors bought in Albany so they could be closer to their daughter, a professor at Cal. Another neighbor bought land outside of Sacramento. My best friend’s family moved to the outskirts of Seattle.
Again, this wasn’t a case of “white flight,” this was a case of an ordinary California suburb finding itself at the epicenter of Silicon Valley (thanks to Apple, although it was home to other tech companies, some of which no longer exist, Measurex, for example.) Most people who didn’t have a reason to stay in Cupertino opted to take their considerable home equity elsewhere and moved up in size and comfort level. I saw the same happen in nearby Sunnyvale and Santa Clara as well.
Detroit pushed out to surrounding suburbs. Minorities began to move into some of those suburbs, and white people moved even further out. “Detroit” is not a huge area … there are many miles of suburbs that are considered the Detroit area.
There is more diversity in suburbs now, but there are areas that are not particularly minority-friendly (the news coverage of the racist folks who stormed the state Capitol in recent weeks was not made up). Schools in areas that are mostly minority are quite honestly not as good as those in other areas. It is something many of us have been trying to change, but change has been slow to materialize.
There is a different type of flight I am seeing that is unrelated to housing costs. In towns with excellent high schools, Whites leave and other racial groups, primarily Asian, move in.
Many parents it seems want a good school system for their kids, but not one which is becoming highly difficult for them to shine.
I grew up in the most urban densely populated city in the country.
late 60’s oldest brother had 1 hispanic team mate on baseball team
early 70’s middle brothers team was 50/50 white-hispanic
my 1977 team I was the only white American playing. So I would say white flight occurred decades ago I still work in the area and it is 85% hispanic. Real Estate was booming prior to Covid.
Haven’t seen a downward spiral. Conversely, I’ve witnessed
the American Dream achieved by thousands.
And some of us leave our nearby public schools that are primarily white to ensure the child goes to a more challenging school that is majority Asian. If the most challenging/engaging school were majority “pick a color/race” we would have gone there instead.
We are in a relatively wealthy neighborhood and the overwhelmingly white schools here were a huge disappointment focusing almost entirely on sports. Even though our son is a very good athlete, we wanted school to be more about academics.
To the extent it matters I am white and my wife would not be considered white by hardly anyone, although for census/college apps she is considered white.
@katliamom Hmm, I wonder if you know my husband’s family. He also grew up in Cupertino in the 70s. He went to a Catholic high school, but Monte Vista was his neighborhood h.s.
MIL stayed in the family home, purchased in the mid-60s, until about 8 years ago. Many of her generation also stayed (several of her friends still live there). The parents of dh’s best friend from high school still live in the home he grew up in a few blocks from where Dh grew up. What we saw was not “white flight from the Asians” over the years, but that dh’s generation could not afford to buy homes in Cupertino. Two of dh’s friends lived with their parents after marrying in order to save enough money to buy a home, but neither bought in Cupertino, but rather in San Jose. Dh, nor his four siblings returned to Cupertino after college. When dh and I got married, we were living on the East Coast and Dh was faced with a career change. We would have loved to move back to the Bay Area, but it was just too expensive.
Dh grew up on a court. One by one, MIL’s neighbors sold their homes as their kids moved away and their homes were too big for them. Several, not all, were purchased by Asians. MIL was the last of the original homeowners to sell and yes, her home was purchased by Asians for a ridiculously high price.