Here you go, @wmanning11 :
https://publicuniversityhonors.com/new-top-programs-by-category/
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/these-colleges-give-you-the-best-bang-for-your-buck-2019-07-25
@sbdad12 i can tell you know your stuff! A comment I had about the first paragraph or so is that what about comparing the schools on my list NOT by their respective honors colleges? So besides Barrett at ASU and Judy Genshaft at USF (or if you also wanna compare them at their non-honors levels), how do those two compare to the general schools on my list (is not talking about their honors colleges) and what they have to offer? Hopefully that makes sense.
Also, besides their honors colleges (cause i didn’t get into them), would it really be worth it to go to UCF or FSU for 30k+ a year, which is kind of at the top of the peak in terms of affording a college, given their reputation and the school’s themselves?
For the U of MN, Carlson is really the only thing that’s keeping me attracted to it still. I think I could make friends and do all the fun college stuff, but I’m just worried that I’m going to get stuck in the Midwest (which I don’t know if I really want) and that I’ll end up not liking it because of the cold. And it never really was my intention of going to school and staying in MN to be quite frank about it. It just feels hard to pass up THE Carlson School of Management, especially if I end up taking the route of business when I’m older.
I really like ASU and Barrett for all the reasons you mentioned, especially all the resources and attention you can get if you need help at all. Also, being in Barrett, W.P Carrey, and the Leaders’ Academy is kind of the trifecta in a sort of way. And it just seems like everyone is friendly down in AZ and I’ve never came across one person that had said they didn’t like they’re experience at ASU. I just kind of wish I would’ve also applied for U of A’s honors college, to give myself the option and it seems really new and pretty good I think, and I would’ve almost 100% got in I believe, but the structure and advising just seems second to Barrett. I don’t know if you could speak to this, but could you possibly do a little U of A vs. ASU?
One thing that I think U of A seems to be better at is they are a little more social and into their sports, but maybe it’s just because their is nothing to do outside of campus and in Tucson. But then again, ASU beats them in dorms and reputation it seems like, so it’s kind of back and forth with pros and cons…
Also, with Madison, it’s the school I’ve also wanted to go to since I was a kid, so it would be pretty hard to pass down an offer from them, especially since I’ve worked so hard to get the opportunity to be able to attend there. But at the same time, it’s cold and I definitely wouldn’t get the same advising and support like I would at ASU. But man, you cannot beat the social scene there either; easily one of the best in the country.
I don’t know as much about those schools as I do about others but it sounds like from your pro/con list you are not as into UCF and the price is not as good as others.
I would be tempted by the USF price and the fact that you like Tampa. I don’t know enough to know how the business school is regarded or their job placement rates but I think you could get info on their job placement rates. Of course, right now, with the economy being in a very strange place, I don’t know how things might change.
How is the affordability of all these schools for your family?
You’re one of the first people I’ve heard from that said ASU isn’t social. In my day, it was THE party school. It’s tamed down a bit since then, but it certainly isn’t boring. In fact, I’m a little concerned about my daughter having too much fun. Seriously. (On niche dot com, it’s an A+ for Party Scene and Student Life)
My knowledge of U of A is limited to one visit and it was a couple of years ago. It’s a fun school, but you can’t really compare Tucson, which is a lot smaller, to Tempe/Phoenix, which is the 5th biggest metro area in the country. There is a ton more to do there. There are a lot of towns I’d rather be in, but from what I understand, it’s a good place to be. Also U of A Honors is coming up in the rankings, but it’s playing catch up to ASU, its rival. I would imagine the chance for internships are MUCH better in Phoenix than Tucson too.
One other thing…my daughter is checking out the ASU Thunderbird 4+1 program. She got a full tuition ride and her fourth year pays for one year of Thunderbird. You take 12 credits your senior year (you still get a BA/BS) and then 31 credits your 5th year to graduate. She would pay $22K or so her 5th year to get the Master in Global Management from T-bird, which is basically an international MBA. And they offer a lot of scholarships for the 5th year. I have a couple of friends that graduated from there, and they got jobs at Caterpillar and Chrysler. It’s a great program and ASU is investing $75M in a new building downtown.
https://thunderbird.asu.edu/degrees/graduate-degree/4-plus-1-master-global-management
Carlson has an MBA, but not this program.
Check out the niche dot com rankings for Colleges. Seems like the grades are pretty accurate. Wisconsin is an A+ and ASU is an A. But remember that’s ASU in general, not Barrett. Pretty sure academics goes to at least an A from an A- and the dorms and food is much better at Barrett.
Don’t get me wrong…I love Wisconsin. If all things were equal price wise, I might choose it, especially comparing ASU to Wisconsin vs Barrett to Wisconsin. But with your desire to get away from the cold, move somewhere else, and your interest in getting a business degree, it seems that Barrett might be better. It’s up to you. I think you would be happy at Wisconsin, Minnesota, or Barrett. Depends in the end what you want for a college experience.
@suteiki77 FSU and UCF are at the very peak of being affordable for my family, since every time I ask them, they just kind of shrug or say they don’t know for sure. USF would be super affordable and would allow me to be flexible if I wanna do study abroad and other fun things. All the others are affordable as well, and ASU would still be too, but I might not be able to go running around doing things all the time (but I think if I went to school there and they saw I liked it, they’d probably allow me to do other fun things).
Personally given the world situation right now I would take FSU and UCF and also ASU off the list in that case. I would try to get info from each school on the job placement and % of students working or in grad school from the business related departments so you can compare. If USF has good stats, then that’s more important than how they are rated and the price would be very good.
If you are sure you don’t want to be cold, then you could take the colder places off the list and that leaves you with USF and the two Arizona schools. Which do you like best of those three?
I do like honors colleges. Have you read up on those and do you feel like the Arizona one would be a good match for you?
I don’t know why more people are not replying to you. I feel like there are many others here who could give you more advice than I am!!
Also, you sound like you are ahead of your age in terms of maturity. I am not sure I’m helping you but wish you all the best. I do think you could get a good education at any of these schools and don’t have a strong feeling of which would be best for you.
@suteiki77 yeah I’ll definitely have to look into the job placement stats for each, since that’s obviously a very important factor after college.
I think I like ASU and USF the best. I think I would like going to school at U of Arizona, it’s just that I worked hard in high school and I feel like if I went to there, it wouldn’t be a waste but like I would feel like the hard work wasn’t worth it in a way, if that makes sense. As for ASU and USF, there just two different schools and cultures so I think I gotta do a little more research in order to weed out the differences.
I’m kind of leaning ASU because of the honors experience. I’m someone who asks a lot of questions when learning and I think having three academic advisors (yes 3) would be helpful to me. And Barrett’s dorms are the best on campus and so is the dining hall within Barrett. But the thing I worry about is that while I do want to work hard and do well, I’m just worried that I’m going to get too overwhelmed and not have time to do other things, because the classes are harder and there’s more homework…
Yeah I guess it’s just the luck of draw in terms of your post blowing up and being seen or not. I posted essentially the same post as this without the individual college pros and cons and got twice the amount of responses, so it seems to just be luck.
Yeah thank you. I’m just glad that I did well enough in highschool to be able to give myself some out of state options.
@suteiki77 and another thing I forgot to mention (if I haven’t already) was that I am in USF’s Honors college. So, I’ll also have to kind of compare and contrast both Barrett and Judy Genshaft, or unless I just don’t want to Honors experience at USF.
@suteiki77 But the thing is that ASU’s Barrett is literally the #1 honors college in the US, and seems to be getting recognition throughout the US, whereas the one in USF isn’t.
Congrats on getting into many colleges! Given that you are not sure of your future careers, University of South Florida is prob the best option to spend at least 1 year of college here. You can get all your GenEd classes out of the way here and save tons of $$$.
University of Wisconsin -Madison is a strong school but if you dont see yourself living there after graduation, it makes more sense to go to a strong school in the state you plan to settle.
Considering the costs, I don’t see an advantage to keeping either FL school (UCF, FSU…) over USF, MN or ASU.
You’s be the first ever to worry about ASU lacking a social life. Ahem. Most people worry there’s too much of it. In fact you’ll have to be careful as it’s like quicksand for many freshmen. (Basic rule: NEVER party during the week. Friday, Saturday, do whatever you want, but S-Th are off limits, no matter what you see others doing.)
You said you wanted to leave the Midwest and be in warmer climes: ASU Barrett is perfect for that. Yes Barrettis going to be as big a deal as Carlson. (In addition, you can return to Carlson for your MBA after working 3-5 years if you really really want it).
Barrett is really prestigious. Barrett students have their own luxury mini campus and are very well treated. (Regular ASU students might resent it because some of their offerings are lackluster in comparison during the first two years, but most don’t care due to the “ahem, no lack of social life”. Jr/Sr offerings are really strong for all who survived the parties, not just Barrett students, but Barrett students have a leg up at first. Plus, Barrett is nationally known.)
@MYOS1634 yeah I totally would agree that Barrett students definitely have it nice. Also, I didn’t mean to say that ASU isn’t a good social school (it’s very very good). I was just trying to say that I’ve heard that U of Arizona edges ASU in terms of social scene (maybe I’m/they’re wrong), but both are still superb.
Also, how would you compare going to Barrett with all its resources and reputation, but paying twice as much as USF (but still affordable) or going to USF’s Honors college for half the amount, but their Honors college doesn’t have as good resources and reputation as Barrett?
Also, would you rule out U of Arizona based on the fact that I’d just be going to the college itself and not the honors college, but could join like sophomore year if I wanted to? But if I went to U of A, I still think I’d enjoy it there.
@sbdad12 you can also respond to if you’d like, since I know both of you have been very helpful throughout this.
@MYOS1634 @sbdad12 also, I’ve heard that Barrett tends to have a good portion of “non-social” people, so I was wondering if that’s true or not and if it’s maybe the opposite in that there’s actually a good lot of social and sporty people?
I agree completely with @MYOS1634 . ASU is not lacking, from what I have heard, in social life. I talked to a woman whose daughter graduated 10 years ago from Barrett. She told me the Barrett kids are more serious, and the dorms reflect that. But I’ve also heard you don’t have to look far for fun. And yes, if you’re serious, S-TH are for studying (and the bar after the library is how we did it at Michigan).
I think @MYOS1634 and I are in total alignment. Barrett kids are treated very well from what I’ve heard. Your only concern might be how others at the school look at you, but that’s minor. And you can always go to Carlson for your MBA (like I did).
I think the title of posts often makes a difference. If it has one that catches people’s eye they are more likely to click on it. I didn’t see your other post and it could be that people who replied there saw you posted a second time and so didn’t even look? I don’t know.
Your work was not wasted. You developed study habits and learned a lot more than you would have if you hadn’t put in that effort. College will be easier as a result than it would be otherwise. None of that is ever a waste.
If you choose an honor’s college program and decide it is too much, can you drop out of it without impacting the cost? If so, then I would start at the honor’s college for sure if you end up choosing one of those schools.
It sounds like you might have USF honors and Barrett as your top 2 choices and if so, that’s good! I don’t think you can go wrong either way. I’d check with your parents to be sure about affordability. I’d look at what each are planning for this year with the virus and etc and the rate of job and grad school placement.
Congrats again! Hope you love college and it sets you up for a good career.
@suteiki77 I’m not sure about USF if whether or being in the honors college affects the price, but Barrett costs 2k more each year than not being in Barrett, if that makes sense.
Did you get any type of scholarship to either school?
@suteiki77 Yeah I got merit aid scholarships for both schools, so USF would be around 12k a year and ASU w/o Barrett would be 24k but with Barrett 26k
Lots of high school students post this type of thing when they do not get into their reach colleges or cannot afford them.
However, doing better in high school will likely help you do better in college (graduate in 8 or fewer semesters, better GPA, no need for remedial courses, advanced placement giving you free electives of interest instead of required lower level courses), regardless of which college you attend.
@ucbalumnus yeah good point as well. It’s just that I believe that at least half of my AP’s won’t matter cause my major won’t correspond with the majors I’m interested in.