Help with My College Decision for Fall 2020

Once you start working, unless you telecommute or have flexible hours AND choose to start at 10, odds are that you’ll start at 9 or earlier, with up to 1 hour commute not to mention the time to devote to grooming, getting your kids up/ready [huge time sink], taking them to school, etc. Even on days when you don’t work, your kids will wake you up, because they can’t get up on Wednesdays but on Saturdays they’re up. Not to mention emergencies like nightmares, throwing up in the night, etc. Then you have all their activities and/or all the things you must do as part of belonging to a community, many of which will require waking up relatively early.
It’ll be a bit quieter when you’re in your 50s but then your body will make things harder on you… so, basically, if you can, enjoy the 10 am class.
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In college, you can roll out of bed and go to class with messed up hair, a random tee shirt, pajama bottoms, and flip flops. Another of those privileges you have exactly 4 years to enjoy.)

You can’t really “talk to them after class” the way you do in high school. The “talk to them after class” that HS teachers do is switched to office hours in college. There’s no real chit chat at the beginning or end of class in college. The professor is coming from somewhere else, gets their stuff out, their assistant (if it’s a large class) sets up the material/slides/chalk/clicker test/whatever, class takes place on material you had to read BEFORE class, then class ends, the professor leaves, the assistant turns things off, students leave because they have to hightail it to make it to their next class in 10mn.
Most professors will have 2 hours of office hours every week. The trick is that you should go before you “need to”. “need to” is usually “right before the midterm” or, even worse “right after you got a bad grade on the midterm”. You can go during your first week, when things are quiet enough, then return as needed, once the ice has been broken. Keep in mind that during the first 3 weeks or so, there’s hardly anyone going to office hours, then suddenly it picks up and right around week 6-8 panic sets in and there’s a swell of people. So, you want to go during your first week, right before your first exam, and roughly 2 weeks before the midterm, as this will certainly be the best times for you. In the second half of the semester, you should have the hang of it and be able to pick the best times to go. Enter them in your calendar when you reverse flow chart all exams and papers due. Imagine there’s office hours October 7, 9, 14 and 16, with a paper due October 17. Basically everyone will crowd out the professor on October 16. You should be going on the 9th and/or the 14th, with an outline and a couple ideas to see if you’re going in the right direction (that way, the professor will let you know if you’re not, and what you should read to make your paper even better… and you’ll have enough time to actually DO it!)

Poets and Quants was pretty much started by Business Week. It’s one of the go to for undergrad and MBA info. The top 20-30 are the usual suspects every year but they shuffle because some schools don’t always do the surveys. Lots of good info there. The have acceptance rates, average SAT/GMAT, etc. They also survey current students and grads. For example in 2018 Krannert was #37. Might have not done well on one of the criteria this year and dropped.

Tomato, Tomahto. It’s just one tool in the shed. US News has a few head scratchers too. SMU and Fordham Gabelli for example. Some of the top VC firms like Bain only recruit at a few schools and SMU is one because of it’s alt assets program.

Once you get outside the top 20 it’s pretty much irrelevant. Flip of the coin. Schools get hot and cold on these rankings.

Idk. Carlson must think it’s OK. It’s first on the page.

https://carlsonschool.umn.edu/about-us/facts-figures

@Knowsstuff ohhh now the 1600 makes sense. Also, sounds a pretty cool club!

Yeah, sounds like a short and informative read.

@chmcnm I mean yeah the Top 20 is alright, give or take a few spots, but after that, not even close. I mean seriously, how can you look at some of these schools that are even in the Top 30 and say they’re better than some of the other schools that are listed in the Top 97? I mean just like @sbdad12 said, when you see UCB at #83, you know something is up. Any I could go on and on…

Also, as you mentioned how GPA, acceptance rates, and ACT/SAT are considered, that might be part of the reason as to why this thing is so flawed. You should never judge a business school based on who they let in, but rather the networking, advising, job placement, etc. because these are the things that employers are looking for in how your business school prepared you. I mean when is a company/grad school gonna ask about what you got on your ACT in high school? It’s nonexistent and irrelevant at that point.

Also, the fact that you mentioned that after the Top 20 it’s a flip of the coin, it’s kinda just pathetic to be real with ya. It’s like ohh your #77 and your #45, without an actual reason behind it. And it kinda makes sense when looking at the list…

@MYOS1634 all really good advice thank you!

@wmanning11 So US News rankings have a far superior methodology? or Bloomberg? Like I said, just one tool in the shed and it’s not just about the rankings. There’s a lot of info about the schools themselves on that website.

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/school-profile/university-minnesota-carlson-school-management/

https://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2018/07/23/a-look-inside-carlson-admissions/

The stats on GPA, acceptance, etc. are there to give prospective students an idea of what it takes to be accepted. They also do surveys on advising, job placement, etc. so perspective applicants can see what current students and graduates think of their school. When you see current students bash their advising office or if they say the alumni network is terrible it’s useful intel. When you visit schools you know what to look for and what questions to ask.

Good luck.

@chmcnm No, I never once said US News was a better source, just more accurate in terms of rankings obviously. But yeah, every source is going to be different and provide different info so it’s all good. Just gonna have to do some more digging on that website beyond the Raw score page. But anyways, thanks for the input :wink:

@suteiki77 @NJdad07090 @Twocents09 @ucbalumnus @Camasite

For what it’s worth, I thought I’d share the following:

My bad for not getting back to you sooner, ended up getting busy with college and trying to enjoy the Minnesota summer (I’m sure you know how valuable they are up here)

In the end, I ended up choosing Barrett @ ASU, and that’s where I’m currently taking classes. I thought USF was nice but wanted to go somewhere we’re I felt rewarded and recognized for my accomplishments and such in high school and thought some of the other schools has better reputations that I couldn’t turn down. Eliminated U of Arizona cause it was basically just a lesser ASU cause I wouldn’t have been in the honors program till sophomore or junior year (cause their honors college didn’t cross my mind until after their deadline) and that it’s a less reputable honors experience than Barrett and that there ain’t much going on outside the campus, which I thought could’ve been a downside sometimes. And then finally with the U of MN, I’ve just always thought of going away for college and getting a new experience outside of MN and thought that if I went to Carlson and the U that it’d be too resembling of high school I guess. Also, I would’ve hated the winter months and thought it would be pretty brutal to be sitting in your dorm all day taking online classes while it’s negative whatever outside.

And I would’ve considered taking a gap year it’s just that my parents basically forced me to start college this fall.

Also, another dilemma that really presented a challenge was choosing between staying at home and taking online at ASU OR going to the U of MN and being able to stay in the dorms (believe me if I had the choice I’d be down at ASU right now). And while I guess it would’ve been nice to get the (sort of) first year dorm experience at the U, I saw myself going to ASU for the four years so that’s kinda how I decided on that, and hopefully this awful pandemic will be gone by next fall so that I’ll have 3 sweet years down there. And since Barrett makes you live on Barrett residencies the first two years, if I really wanted to I could just stay in a dorm for my sophomore year to get the experience and then stay in Vista del Sol for junior year at the minimum (unless in your opinion you’d say the whole dorm thing is just whatever?)

@happymomof1 @sbdad12 @MYOS1634 @joecollege44 @Knowsstuff @Justinbecause @Lindagaf @powercropper @NJdad07090 @chmcnm

For what it’s worth, I thought I’d share the following:

My bad for not getting back to you sooner, ended up getting busy with college and trying to enjoy the Minnesota summer (I’m sure you know how valuable they are up here)

In the end, I ended up choosing Barrett @ ASU, and that’s where I’m currently taking classes. I thought USF was nice but wanted to go somewhere we’re I felt rewarded and recognized for my accomplishments and such in high school and thought some of the other schools has better reputations that I couldn’t turn down. Eliminated U of Arizona cause it was basically just a lesser ASU cause I wouldn’t have been in the honors program till sophomore or junior year (cause their honors college didn’t cross my mind until after their deadline) and that it’s a less reputable honors experience than Barrett and that there ain’t much going on outside the campus, which I thought could’ve been a downside sometimes. And then finally with the U of MN, I’ve just always thought of going away for college and getting a new experience outside of MN and thought that if I went to Carlson and the U that it’d be too resembling of high school I guess. Also, I would’ve hated the winter months and thought it would be pretty brutal to be sitting in your dorm all day taking online classes while it’s negative whatever outside.

And I would’ve considered taking a gap year it’s just that my parents basically forced me to start college this fall.

Also, another dilemma that really presented a challenge was choosing between staying at home and taking online at ASU OR going to the U of MN and being able to stay in the dorms (believe me if I had the choice I’d be down at ASU right now). And while I guess it would’ve been nice to get the (sort of) first year dorm experience at the U, I saw myself going to ASU for the four years so that’s kinda how I decided on that, and hopefully this awful pandemic will be gone by next fall so that I’ll have 3 sweet years down there. And since Barrett makes you live on Barrett residencies the first two years, if I really wanted to I could just stay in a dorm for my sophomore year to get the experience and then stay in Vista del Sol for junior year at the minimum (unless in your opinion you’d say the whole dorm thing is just whatever?)

Hello all! After narrowing down my list based on what my family can afford, I was hoping to get some advice on my list of potential colleges that I could end up attending this Fall 2020. They are the following (not ranked)

Florida State University -$32,000
University of Arizona - $22,000 (somewhere around here give or take a few thousand in both directions)
Arizona State University - $26,000 w/ Barrett
University of South Florida - $12,000
University of Minnesota - TC - $22,000
University of Central Florida - $32,000
(Hopefully) University of Wisconsin -Madison (Waitlisted) - $27,000

As for what I am interested in, right now I’m going out for something Business related, but I’m not 100% on that’s what I want to do in life. If business doesn’t work out for me, I’m also interested in Sports Journalism, Marine Bio, and being a Pilot.

I’ll also provide a little more info about some of the schools below:

FSU:
Pros - Living in Florida; seems to have good academics, good people and vibes
Cons: Would be pretty challenging to fly into/get to if I couldn’t get in/out of Tallahassee; cost is high, program rankings seem okay

U of A:
Pros: Eller ELITE program; One of the cheapest schools; Business school is good (#45) Great weather; Good social scene it seems and sports are a big part of campus
Cons: Not regarded as a very good school, not much to do in Tuscon

ASU:
Pros: Barrett honors college (if I wanted to do it); Great access to facilities from Barrett; Helpful advising; Climate, W.P Carrey great business school (#35)
Cons: Same thing reputation wise as U of A, Seems to not have as good social scene as U of A?

USF:
Pros: Cost very, very low, Good location to downtown Tampa and beaches, Always loved Tampa area
Cons: Programs don’t seem to be that highly regarded

U of MN:
Pros: Carlson School of Management is the best business school I got into and is highly regarded, and job placement is insanely high
Cons: I cannot stand the cold that well; Living in MN just doesn’t feel appealing to me (but could make it work ig)

UCF:
Pros: Florida; social scene
Cons: Price; Low ranked programs; not a lot to do outside of campus (isolated away from Orlando)

Wisco:
Pros: Social scene; amazing academics; great atmosphere
Cons: Cold

Any comments at all would be very much appreciated!

Congratulations! So, you are distance learning right now? I’m kind of relieved for you if that’s the case as I think your school has been in the news recently for outbreaks on campus. I think you have a good head on your shoulders and made a thoughtful decision. I hope you enjoy your college experience and I’m very sorry your first year is being impacted by the pandemic. I do think you will have three normal years of school. Hang in there for this year. The year will go by anyway and at least you will have a year of credits under your belt. Sending you good thoughts for all of this.