<p>Some of them are. Didn’t someone just mention Madoff?? There’s Milken, Skilling, Boesky, and others I could pull up if I felt like doing the work. A parent in one of my kids’ private elementary schools just went to prison for tax fraud, and he was the CFO of a company everyone knew around here.</p>
<p>Maybe the problem is that more of them should go to jail. Is that what you are arguing? I thought you were arguing the opposite? Your position is confusing. </p>
<p>I’m really not “taking a position.” I think there are too many people in prison, and I don’t think that the people in prison are there because they are the worst offenders. I think a hefty fine and a felony on the record would be fine for this particular offense. that is all.</p>
<p>I want to add Martha Stewart and Leona Helmsley, so I don’t look like I’m gender biased. 
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<p>I won’t be surprised if schools start a random audit to verify in-state residency. </p>
<p>It looked to me like the Harvard case arose out of a routine “matching” program that uses access to tax return data. I think thats a good thing to do. Residency/Domicile is a little more nebulous and open to interoperation, but you would think that there would be a way to logically profile potential scammers. And if there is such a way, it should be done. </p>
<p>I agree that colleges should be on the lookout for people trying to defraud them. We were full pay for two kids, albeit at instate rates as our kids went to state schools. But we were willing to pay what we were expected to and I don’t have any sympathy for people trying to scam the system- at either state schools or privates. </p>
<p>Yes. I have a friend whose husband was transferred out of state, and they ended up having to have mom live in the home state while dad rented an apartment in his new location and lived apart – just so they could continue to pay instate tuition for their two kids who were in college. When people are expected to undergo actual hardships to maintain instate residency status, it doesn’t seem right that people can scam to get those same benefits.</p>
<p>We officially lived in Georgia slightly less than one year the summer before my daughter was to attend UGA. We fell into a no man’s land where she was officially a resident right before she started classes but was not official when I was filling out all the admissions and state scholarship forms. The amount of paperwork that I had to provide to the school to prove residency was unbelievable. I sent them a huge stack of personal documents, including bills, proof of residency, mortgage records, DMV records, tax returns, etc. </p>
<p>Trying to fake residency would mean falsifying numerous official documents. I believe the official petition doesn’t threaten legal action but does warn that the student can expelled or billed retroactively for OOS tuition.</p>
<p>Boy how times have changed! I remember attending a forum in the early 1980s for potential law school applicants where the recruiter from UGA essentially bragged about how simple it was to get resident-tuition status after only one year of living and studying in Athens.</p>
<p>I think its still “easier” for older students,regardless of the state, since their parents aren’t the ones whose domicile is concerned. Its the undergraduate students where the issue arises. </p>
<p>The law school at UGA would have different guidelines even now than the undergraduate school. Law school is much more likely to be dealing with older, independent students. <a href=“Georgia Residency | University of Georgia School of Law”>http://www.law.uga.edu/georgia-residency</a></p>
<p>Dadx and Sevmom; maybe so but pubic universities in the main overwhelmingly require non-resident law school students to pay more than locals, depending upon where you lived at the time of your application; not upon your dependent/independent financial status. Also, at some schools, like U of Washington law, at times non-resident tuition was significantly increased while state-residents’ tuition was not.</p>
<p>There is a significant difference between UGA’s instate vs. OOS tuition for law school but the link I provided above does make it sound like you could potentially petition for instate tuition after the first year but it IS a little unclear. But law school admissions and tuition in general is a different issue and handled differently than undergrad. Law school tuition at UVa is very similar-instate students only pay 3-5,000 less a year than out of state students. Whereas,for undergrads, the tuition differential is substantial. </p>
<p>I hadn’t realized the differential was as great as it is for law schools. UVa law and business school is pretty close to the same for instate and out of state (expensive), but the others I checked in the southeast are like UGa. Virginia seems to be an outlier. </p>
<p>I have no problem with many of the people currently in jail being there. Frankly, I would rather see shorter, but tougher time (no TV, etc.) </p>
<p>That aside, this guy should not go to jail, but he should be treated as a felon with regard to anything else. He should be paying 2-3X restitution and perhaps be made to wear the ‘sandwhich’ board around Georgia campus cities proclaiming that he stole money that could have gone to someone else.</p>
<p>As for illegals. Sad for kids brought here against their will as children, but by the time they are in college it is no longer an excuse. They can go back to their native country and will often be at a significant advantage over their peers due to better education and healthcare, etc.</p>
<p>dadx, UVa is a “T14” law school and is sought after. I don’t think they get state funding and I’m not surprised they charge what they do, even for instate students. People are willing to pay it. The only other public T14 schools are Berkeley (only about a $4000 cost difference between instate and OOS) and Michigan (only about a $3000 difference).</p>
<p>UVA is an interesting hybrid of public/private like Cornell. The business school, at all levels, and the upper level grad schools and professional schools, like law, are private.</p>
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<p>That’s not true. A lot of them don’t even speak the language of the country their parents left. They are culturally American, not _______________. It’s an impossible position.</p>
<p>I know a lot of people from a lot of different countries who are here legally and not. I have never met one in the current generation who did not teach the kids the native tongue. Most speak it exclusively at home. I’m not saying there are not examples of some who do not, but it is the exception, not the rule.</p>
<p>Older generations of immigrants would often prohibit the mother-tongue because they wanted to be more integrated into society. I have not heard that from any of my foreign-born friends nowadays.</p>
<p>Sure, they are culturally American. They don’t want to have to go back to the country of their birth, I get it. If they go back, they would have a reasonably good chance of trying to come back legally…unless they are deported.</p>
<p>I can’t imagine the situation they are in. I don’t think anyone thinks there is an easy solution for that one, not even the people who wish there was an easy solution for that one. </p>