<p>in Dreams From My Father Obama says he was between undergraduate and law school when he was a community origanizer. He may have continued that after law school grad. also, but he was working as an organizer when he received his acceptance to Harvard Law School.</p>
<p>Snug, huh? How about uppity? Does uppity work for you, too?:rolleyes:</p>
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<p>Less smug and more likeable? Even Rush Limbaugh is developing a liking for her persona. Or does he? As far as I am concerned she still wears an abject mask of complete hypocrisy that is nothing but a fa</p>
<p>If you really want to see the race card played, wait until Obama gets the nomination. He will spend every waking moment trying to get McCain to say something that can even remotely considered racist and then his staff will scream McCain is a racist, even though he is not.</p>
<p>Here is my problem with what she said:</p>
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<p>If she said working class white americans - no problem at all. However, to blatantly infer that the wealthy, educated, black, or any other ‘Obama’ group are not hard working is offensive. Her consituency is mostly retired people and women(a large portion of whom are homemakers). Both of these groups are worthy of our respect, but to claim that Obama’s supporters are not hard working people(who apparently are only middle/lower class white people) is offensive.</p>
<p>And this constituency that she ‘owns’: she BARELY wins. In Indiana - under $15,000 (42/58 Obama); 15-30 (56-44 Clinton); 30-50 (51/49 Clinton); 50-75 (52/48 Clinton); 75-100 (49/51 Obama); 100-150 (54/46 Clinton). It isn’t a very convincing argument if the other candidate does just as well as you do.</p>
<p>She did win whites 60/40. But looking at the quite similar example of Wisconsin - Obama won 54/45 among whites. It has not been proven that Obama cannot win among white voters.</p>
<p>Hillary’s main constituency(no matter what she may say) is women - who are primarily democratic anyway. Obama’s best constituency is blacks - who are primarily democratic.</p>
<p>What Obama brings to the democratic party is that he brings out black voters and new voters, who traditionally do not vote as much as other groups. He is also exceptional at fundraising. These traits not only signal potential electoral strength, but also a large ‘down ticket’ benefit - which is incredible important with the Census(and the redistricting that will come from that) coming in 2010.</p>
<p>Clinton is stronger in a larger demographic - but she has not demonstrated that she can bring in new voters. As the democratic party has proven in the past 2 elections - it needs something new.</p>
<p>The difference between Clinton’s statements and Donna’s statements is that Donna was saying black voters would not turn out for Hillary if she got the nomination not because she’s white, but because in order to get the nod she would have to rob it from the first viable black presidential candidate who won playing by the rules. </p>
<p>Hillary can’t play this attack Obama game anymore. If she can’t win by building herself up than she needs to step aside. All she is doing is polarizing her supporters so they vote against Obama out of spite. I’m afraid for the Democratic party at this point.</p>
<p>Hilary’s supporters are mostly democratic party stalwarts, and there is NO WAY that they are going to vote for McCain. (I can’t say the same for some Obama supporters. At our local caucus, some of them were saying that they would in fact vote for McCain if Obama wasn’t nominated. It really makes one wonder what their basis for choosing a candidate is. Clearly it has nothing to do with potential policy decisions.) </p>
<p>For those who think that an intelligent, high-minded anti-war candidate who brings in the youth vote facing a morally bankrupt administration can’t lose, I have two words for you:</p>
<p>George McGovern</p>
<p>While I think it’s time for Hilary to find a way to relinquish her campaign, there’s part of me that is royally ****ed off at the completely vicious and uncalled for remarks people routinely make about her (On this forum, “I wouldn’t want my husband standing between her and the presidency…Vince Foster…Ron Brown” …and NO ONE remonstrates with that?), and the condescension towards women and at the fact that they want the girl to play “nice” and let the prince have his way. (“You’re likable enough,” he ungraciously mutters.) On a visceral level, something says “Do not go gentle into that good night.”</p>
<p>But that’s visceral. Intellectually, I realize that she needs to find her way to making peace with an exit. Preferably soon.</p>
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<p>I remember when you’d drive down the Ryan Expressway and the Robert Taylor Homes literally lined the expressway; you could tell they were infested with gangs, drugs, criminals, corruption, etc. Over time, many of them were closed down, but before they were torn down, they became magnets for the homeless. There have been huge improvements in that area.</p>
<p>And yes, there have been a lot of shootings lately involving school children, but it’s not exclusive to the south side. </p>
<p>You know, the one thing that always amazes me about this race, and references to Obama being from Illinois, is that Hillary was raised in Park Ridge, IL, which is a very comfortable (and some parts very wealthy) suburb of Chicago. But you hardly ever hear her name associated with Illinois. She and Obama have probably spent equal amounts of time calling the Chicago area their homes, but her claim to being a native Illinoisan rarely gets any news here.</p>
<p>Maybe because she was running for the Senate from NY.</p>
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<p>When analyzing the dynamics of this forum, perhaps you ought to go back a bit more and check the tone when … things looked better for Hillary, especially after the 2006 elections. From the 2004 bitter defeat for the Democrat Party until then, some of us were subjected to talks of “what goes around goes around” and how the Hillary tsunami would bring cold vindication, if not vengeance for all the harm done to the poor democrats. No quarters … no repentance. The only question was about how much we would squirm after the just and inexorable victory of Hillary. </p>
<p>Example of a post from one of my good friends on CC? </p>
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<p>Well, inasmuch as I tried to write nice things about the outcome of Bush-Kerry campaign, or even after 2006 only to be told that the future will be different and that an ominous payback was coming, times have now changed. </p>
<p>Although I would love to see the Obama-Clinton dispute linger all the way to the summer convention and further undermine the leftist and clueless party, I now admit that few sights will be more pleasant that the inevitable resignation of Her Royal Highness Clinton. Witnessing how painful it must be for the self-anointed wunderkind to have been bested by a virtual unknown with a short resume is indeed so sweet. In fact, I do hope to see real tears after the crocodile ones in New Hampshire. </p>
<p>How nice it is to see how the invincible Wehrmacht slicing through Poland did run … out of gas. See <a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/3492026-post19.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/3492026-post19.html</a>. That Hillary Wehrmacht would probably have been stopped by the Maginot Line! Oops, sorry for the uncalled for vitriol! </p>
<p>Payback’s a *****, isn’t it?</p>
<p>“(On this forum, “I wouldn’t want my husband standing between her and the presidency…Vince Foster…Ron Brown” …”</p>
<p>I wrote that and take exception to your characterization of what was clearly a joking exchange between two posters. I have been much more than fair to Senator Clinton, who is my senator and who I have defended vigorously, and I think you should have more information and comprehension before calling a post “vicious” or “uncalled for.”</p>
<p>ZM: Yes, you have been very fair to Clinton despite your strong opposition to her candidacy. I would not consider your comment ‘vicious’ but a little ‘uncalled for’ even in jest. Unless you do suspect that Hillary is not above assassination in order to win the Presidency.</p>
<p>Personally I don’t remember much about those Clinton era rumors and don’t care to find out. Hillary is ruled out as VP for many other reasons. I hope she continues as a Senator. She is a very good one, hopefully she can become the Senate Majority leader soon.</p>
<p>More on this topic see today’s NY Times Op Ed page A19, ‘Seeds of Destruction’ talks about her remarks about hard-working white Americans, etc.</p>
<p>Quotes Rep. Charles Rangel (Cinton supporter) as saying, ‘I can’t believe Senator Clinton would say anything that dumb.’ Also talks about Bill Clinton’s White House pardons, Hilary’s brothers taking payments for the pardons and their stealing stuff from the White House when they left and ultimately paying for it.</p>
<p>The article ends, ‘The Clintons should be ashamed of themselves. But they long ago proved to the world that they have no shame.’</p>
<p>“ZM: Yes, you have been very fair to Clinton despite your strong opposition to her candidacy. I would not consider your comment ‘vicious’ but a little ‘uncalled for’ even in jest.”</p>
<p>I’m sad that you feel that way, but it was clealy a joke and in the context of my postings about Ms. Clinton in the past, I see nothing bad about it. Public figues (my key between q and s isn’t woking) should expect to be made fun of, what would SNL do without politicians? I actually hope she becomes gov. of NY. I think she would be amazing.</p>
<p>Governor eh? Now that’s an idea. That would be good for NY, no doubt about it. Anything but VP. She needs a job where she actually gets to do something.</p>
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<p>Let me just put up the polls.
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<p>I personally don’t believe Obama can win Florida. I think he will have problems in PA & OH. Other Midwest states I think he can do well.</p>
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<p>Yep. I was the other poster, and indeed, it was all said in jest…sort of…:D</p>
<p>“Donna Brazile was talking about the reaction of the black community to Senator Clinton’s actions.”</p>
<p>What actions are you talking about? The defection of African-Americans from Clinton began during the ramp-up to South Carolina after Clinton commented that “Dr. King’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," and added that “it took a president to get it done.” Clinton said nothing that diminished MLK’s role in inspiring and leading the civil rights movement. She was just playing to her strengths by saying that brilliant oratory (Obama’s strength) is not enough; you need an experienced political leader who can translate the ideal into legislative action. Being a member of an historically oppressed minority myself (not black) that at times can be hypersensitive to being dissed, I knew that Clinton had stepped on a third rail, and Obama cleverly exploited the sensitivities of the A-A community by saying “Senator Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill-advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson.” Geraldine Ferraro’s comments were more stupid than racist, and she is not Hillary. Ed Rendell’s comments that many rural white folk in PA would not vote for a black man were surprisingly blunt for a politician, but they proved to be insightful and accurate. Hillary’s latest comments may be desperate and not artfully phrased, and I agree should be argued by surrogates rather than herself, but they accurately describe Obama’s greatest weakness as a general election candidate and are not racist.</p>
<p>“Governor eh? Now that’s an idea. That would be good for NY, no doubt about it. Anything but VP. She needs a job where she actually gets to do something.”</p>
<p>I whole-heartedly would support Senator Clinton for governor. I think she’s exactly what this wretched, dysfunctional state needs.</p>
<p>“Governor eh? Now that’s an idea. That would be good for NY, no doubt about it. Anything but VP. She needs a job where she actually gets to do something.”</p>
<p>“I whole-heartedly would support Senator Clinton for governor. I think she’s exactly what this wretched, dysfunctional state needs.”</p>
<p>Terrible idea. Hillary has been a close to useless Senator where NY is hurting most. The best thing she could do for New York once her Senate term expires is to go home to…where is home again?</p>