<p>The idea the she would be proven false if there was only intercourse with 4 not 5 is not a valid assertion. </p>
<p>If one was gang raped, would a victim be able to tell one guy from the next? Or if one guy went twice? I know I would be hard pressed to look at them. But would just to identify them. But to say, the lady said she was attacked by three, but we only have dna from two, so she must be lying on its face is not proof of anything.</p>
<p>In this case, the whole even is so gross. My gut tells me it was probably a little bit of both, consensual, then it went too far. So at what point does it turn into rape. Who knows. </p>
<p>Then men were disgusting and I hope that their mothers tell them so. As for the girl, I find it more sad that disgusting.</p>
<p>No not strawman. I am not talking about this case, but any case where q woman was gang raped.</p>
<p>If a woman said she thought she was raped by all four men there, but DNA was only found from three, that does not make the woman a liar. It means that in a horrible situation she got confused.</p>
<p>So, if this case had been a real rape and DNA was only found from 4 men, though 5 were there and she said she thought all five raped her, that in itself would not be proof she was lying.</p>
<p>Lack of DNA does NOT mean a woman was not raped by a man. How callous to even suggest that. I am not talking about this case here, but any rape case. Rape does not always result in semen or other DNA for that matter.</p>
<p>Rape can be by a tool, a stick, using a condom, and in those cases, no DNA. </p>
<p>It is truely scarey that someone would think that DNA is needed to prove a rape happened.</p>
<p>Sad indeed. Again, this case seems to be a false claim of rape, I am talking about rapes that have happened.</p>
<p>Prosecutors said that she recanted when told that the act was on video. An inconsistent story is a sign of a false accusation. That, with forensic and other testimony should be used to determine the validity of an accusation.</p>
<p>In the Duke Lacrosse case, the accuser changed her story over and over and over again. One of her last stories had her levitating in the bathroom. I understand that scientists can now levitate mice using the water molecules in their bodies but I don’t think that this technology was used in that bathroom.</p>
<p>In the Duke Lacrosse case, there was zero DNA evidence. I suppose that it’s possible that someone could be dressed from head to toe in a Tyvek outfit with a breathing apparatus but as we see in the Yale case, there were defensive wounds. In any kind of close contact with one person to another, you have DNA.</p>
<p>bullet - many of the angry studies professors at Duke believe that "something happened’ to this day (some of them were my professors back in the day). And significant parts of the black community in Durham believe “something happened”, too, and continue to believe it. Of course, you may be right, they don’t really believe it, but since the facts (those pesky things) got in the way of their victimologist narrative - their stock in trade - they cannot admit to the reality that it was hoax. </p>
<p>Most disturbing to me, however, was Dean Moneta’s comment when in fact a student from Duke was in fact raped, suggesting it was her fault. Of course, it had to be her fault, because he wanted at all costs not to have problems with the Durham community, since the rapist was black, and offending the troubled black community in Durham is apparently a sin. The student/victim transferred to Hofstra! The Duke administration’s support of this young woman was incredibly lacking. </p>
<p>I note Hofstra has suspended the woman who made the false claim. It has also reinstated the student who was falsely accused. One could draw conclusions as to who looks out for the interests of 18-22 year olds better, Duke or Hofstra, but, heck that would be all too ugly for that august Gothic institution.</p>
<p>Apparently, the incident was recorded on a cell phone (modern technology at work), and when the girl was confronted by police with this evidence, she recanted.</p>
<p>The DA is looking at filing charges against the accuser.</p>
<p>I hope that the real victims receive compensation.</p>
<p>The New Haven Police did a better job. They didn’t arrest until they had conclusive evidence. If the police in the Hofstra case had brought in the four for questioning, then the video evidence might have been revealed negating the need for arresting innocent people. It’s interesting that the New Haven police were far more careful with a murder investigation than the police in the Hofstra non-rape case.</p>
<p>You have watched too many cis shows. There is NOT always DNA. And by your comments, you seem to think that you need dna to prove an assualt. Not so. Are you saying that if I close dance with someone, I will have DNA? So I shake hands with my post man, they can always find his DNA on my hand? Really.</p>
<p>Go to Wikipedia and read up on what a strawman is. There are so many posters here weak in logic, reasoning and debate. If you think that I said something, please post what I said; not your strawman. It’s like the wizard of oz in here.</p>
<p>And that’s the way it is supposed to go. When you have a bunch of inconsistencies in the woman’s story and multiple accused saying that it didn’t happen that way with video to prove it, then you question the accuser. There were lots of people in the Duke case making excuses for the false accuser’s changing stories and inconsistencies. I don’t know how they rationalized that two of the accused WEREN’T EVEN THERE.</p>
<p>[The student recanted her accusations late Wednesday during a lengthy interview with prosecutors, who found “significant inconsistencies” in her story, Rice said during a news conference.</p>
<p>“The story of the accuser slowly but steadily began to unravel,” Rice said. “The turning point was when she was confronted with the fact that there may be a video” of the woman’s encounter with the men in the dormitory bathroom.]</p>
<p>A couple nights ago I turned on CNN to see what that day’s trivial and unimportant national news was. Turns out CNN prepared a 5 minute story about the Hofstra rape and left pictures of four of the five ‘accused’ on the TV screen for a bit. I guess at the time they were ‘looking for the fifth accused’ making the story even more believable that the accused were guilty. I figured this was going to be the new story for Nancy Grace to investigate for three months. </p>
<p>I was surprised to find out this was not the headlining story when I turned on the news yesterday. Oh that’s right, the accused were completely innocent and the girl just lied about the charges… “nothing to see here, move on” says the media.</p>
<p>The bigger story here is how can someone just accuse five young men of rape, threatening to throw their lives away for many many years, and then take it all back with only a slap on the wrist? Nancy Grace should be doing a story this very moment on why we all jump to conclusions and post innocent men on the television for the sake of juicy news.</p>
<p>The girl’s picture should now be posted on the television so her name can become infamous as well. How likely is this to happen? Pretty unlikely. I guess we are supposed to feel sorry for her because she must have been in a bad mental state to falsify a rape. Here is the problem, if there wasn’t evidence conflicting with the girl’s story, these boys would probably be headed into years of trials based on this false accusation just like the Duke Lacross players. </p>
<p>I say lets make an example out of this girl for future girls who want to make false rape claims to get back at x-boyfriends and prosecute her for her criminal crime.</p>
<p>Why is it it’s sad when a woman consents to have sex with 5 guys at near about the same time but it’s disgusting for the men to consent to the act with the same woman?</p>
<p>The scales of justice aren’t balanced when it comes to rape. A lot of states passed laws tilting it one way and, of course, that has had consequences. Negative consequences for innocent men unfortunately.</p>
It’s sad & disgusting on the part of all of them. A girl who would have sex with 5 guys at the same time has something wrong with her and any guy stupid enough to put himself in this situation deserves what he gets. And any girl who would falsely accuse someone of rape deserves what she gets as well. They are all stupid, sad, and disgusting.</p>
<p>All 6 of them put themselves in the situation they now find themselves. I don’t really feel sorry for any of them. You can’t just go around being stupid and then expect people to feel sorry for you when your stupidity turns around and bites you in the ***</p>
<p>BCEagle91, that’s (Post #55) the most sober thing I’ve heard said about the U.S. justice system in years. And it is undoubtedly true, as witnessed by this episode at Hofstra University.</p>
<p>To make matter worse, not only did they ALL agree to this form of sex interaction, someone was filming. How sick is that for a bunch of 18/19 years old? And I hear on the news that they are young and they made a stupid mistake. Have we become that tolerant? Calling this a mistake.</p>
<p>I can recall two high-profile cases where videos saved the males from rape charges besides the Hofstra case. Perhaps young adults should both sign consent forms for this sort of thing. Of course you could take the Nike approach.</p>