<p>There are hot girls. The girls get screwed, no hot guys.</p>
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<p>That was obviously a rhetorical question with the connotation that the OP should not post such a thread. What, did you expect the OP to come and say “oh, I felt compelled to make such a topic because I really am that concerned about the girls at Berkeley.” Your last sentence even shows that you didn’t expect an answer.</p>
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<p>The word “seem” wasn’t in the definition. I’m focusing on the word “only” because it’s an important part of the definition. Being concerned with something and being concerned only with something are completely different. The word “only” makes a big difference. And I never even talked about #5 because #4 is the definition that we’ve been using.</p>
<p>Anyway, I’m not sure why you are still posting on this thread. The only things you’ve done are attack the topic and argue with me. It’s fine if you don’t like the topic; go read another thread.</p>
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<p>I dunno, I still think the guys are pretty decent. Nothing jaw-dropping but there are some attractive ones.</p>
<p>I find it kind of hilarious that a thread that started with “Are there hot girls at Berkeley?” has somehow morphed into an involved argument over semantics.</p>
<p>“I find it kind of hilarious that a thread that started with “Are there hot girls at Berkeley?” has somehow morphed into an involved argument over semantics.”</p>
<p>Yup, there is a reason why these people got into Berkeley.</p>
<p>I left to go out of state on Friday and came back with this thread still live and well although, truthfully, it’s not much to my surprise.</p>
<p>I should hope that no one tries to make a distinction between ethnic and racial groups, that’s simply unfair. If you look at student body ratios, Cal and UCLA are virtually identical:</p>
<p>School/ Asian/ White/ Latino / Female
Cal - 41/32/11/54
UCLA- 38/35/15/56</p>
<p>If UCLA has better-looking girls, fine. If Cal has girls that do not look as good as at UCLA, fine. But don’t try to fault certain groups. </p>
<p>There are multiple incorrect assumptions that have been made, and these have prolonged this thread:</p>
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<li><p>Just because a guy cares about how a girl looks, it does not mean he does not care about other things as well (and most likely, values these “other” things more so than looks). </p></li>
<li><p>Just because a prospective student asks a current student for a pulse on how the other sex looks, it does not mean they are wrong for doing so: it is but one consideration as they decide where they want to spend their next four years.</p></li>
<li><p>Going to college for reasons beyond education is not necessarily something to be looked down upon. In the 2003 Undergraduate Survey, freshmen were asked to answer the following the question: How important is forming romantic relationships, perhaps finding a long-term partner, while in college? Think about for a second, now here’s how Cal students responded: 30% little or no importance, 41.1% some importance, 19.9% very important, and 9% essential.</p></li>
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<p><a href=“http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/02/19_survey.shtml[/url]”>http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2004/02/19_survey.shtml</a></p>
<p>College is the most obvious time one can look for a spouse. In four year’s time, I would wager that you will have had shared considerable class/lab/discussion time with upwards of 2,000 students of similar age group, not including dormmates, fellow club members, and other students you come across in your day. One’s college choice, increasingly personal at competitive schools (with the assumption that students had other college choices, but chose a particular college for particular reasons), forms a common bond with the 20,000 other or so undergraduates- an instant connection that is less noticeable now, but I would guess much more distinguishable after 10 or 20 years when one looks back in retrospection. No other time in one’s life can this peculiar situation be found or replicated; college affords a unique opportunity to find a spouse, whether or not one is actively seeking is beyond the point.</p>
<p>Men have been accused of thinking with their ***** instead of their mind. It’s human nature, not always choice, often times uncontrollable- deal with it. </p>
<p>While I don’t particularly subscribe to generalizations, especially on a subject that is- and I would think most others would agree- wholly subjective. However, if it is to be found that a certain topic has been raised so many times over the years and the language of choice is often extreme, then at the very least you know something is up. Someone saying that Berkeley is home to the ugliest girls in the world is pure exaggeration, but there must exist a kernel of truth (in lesser degrees- of course!). If outside organizations come in and produce surveys with data that seemingly corroborates, you’d be hard-pressed to convince everyone otherwise; more importantly, you should be hard-pressed to convince yourself, otherwise.</p>
<p>Just to throw this out there, I wonder what is worse: those who continually attempt to sensationalize this topic by saying rather crude things about the opposite sex (regardless of whether it is true or not); or those who, in the process of the defending males/females, pass character judgment against others based on another’s position on this topic? </p>
<p>If beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder, then the beholder wouldn’t have posted the original question, seeking other’s opinions.</p>
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If it makes you feel better, you can tell yourself that. The “ugly” girls at UCSB would worshipped like goddesses at UCB.</p>
<p>The social scene at Berkeley actually isn’t too bad (unlike UCSD). The people I met were friendly and really laid back. There’s a lot going on at the school, on and off campus. Still, there’s no disputing that the girls, on average, are pretty hideous. The girls at Berkeley come in many different shapes, sizes, and ethnicities. Whether a girl is Asian, Hispanic, or White, they all have one thing in common at Berkeley; their looks (or lack of). The guys at UCB aren’t what many girls would consider to be “studs”, but they are decent looking. One of my friends just graduated from Berkeley a few years ago. He had a very good looking girlfriend in high school, but they decided to separate before college. In his four years at Berkeley, he dated ZERO girls from the school (he had a girlfriend but she didn’t go to the school).</p>
<p>At least it’s a great school ;)</p>
<p>I don’t tell myself that to make myself feel better, I say that because I believe it. UCB has many attractive girls, maybe not relative to the entire female population, but you see them around. UCSB, like every single other UC campus, has attractive girls and unattractive girls. If the unattractive ones were brought to UC Berkeley they would still be considered unattractive. Honestly you are saying that ~9700 girls at UCSB are all better looking than the ~12000 girls at UCB, which is a ridiculous statement. Maybe UCSB has a slightly higher percentage of attractive girls, say 30% to UCB’s 25%, or maybe more girls at UCSB put more effort into their looks, but the difference between the general attractiveness of girls at the two campuses is not that large.</p>
<p>You use your one friend as an example. I don’t see a sample pool of one person as convincing. How about a sample pool of 43,000+ who are registered in the Berkeley network under facebook.com? According to the network statistics published by facebook.com, here are the percentages for relationship status:</p>
<p>43% None Listed
26% Single
20% In a Relationship
6% Married
2% It’s Complicated
1% In an Open Relationship</p>
<p>Doesn’t look to me like the students at Berkeley are all like your friend here. Even taken into consideration the skew attributed to some people’s penchant for putting fake relationships up, there is still a sizable portion of the student population who don’t have trouble with girls (not to mention those who just hook up and don’t have it on facebook).</p>
<p>Being from Santa Barbara, I can attest to the alleged “good looks” of UCSB girls. Its true. My high school is 5 minutes from UCSB and my friends and I often make runs to Isla Vista (the UCSB college town) for lunch. My cousins from Minnesota and Connecticut both attend UCSB and agree that there are far more “attractive” people there than there were back home.</p>
<p>That being said “good looks” and “attractive” are both statements of opinion; and to each his own. After visiting Berkeley multiple times among other UC campuses, I can honestly say that at UCSB I find the that the greatest number of girls fit my opinion of “hot”</p>
<p>Also, Santa Barbara is known for beautiful people - albeit man are what may of you have referred to as superficial - and this reputation is affimed by UCSB.</p>
<p>I am sure though, that UCB is not as “bad” as poeple make it out to be. There are “attractive” people everywhere and “ugly” people everywhere, that shouldn’t factor into college decisions much, as it wont factor into mine. Supposedly “ugly” girls won’t scare me away from the real reasons I’m going to Cal.</p>
<p>If you’re looking for beautiful girls at your college, come to UCSB, I’ll introduce you to a few :P</p>
<p>PS. ttgiang15, that was a gloriously insightful and candid post. Bravo.</p>
<p>man, these posts just crack me up!!!
hahaha</p>
<p>I’m bumping this thread to add my opinion. The girls here are not good looking. I was at CalSO this past week and already found myself turning a 3 into a 7 and a 7/8 into a 9.</p>
<p>LOL!!! yea… I think Ill be able to focus on my studies better… haha</p>
<p>“turning a 3 into a 7 and a 7/8 into a 9”</p>
<p>'Cept, if you’re going to shift a scale by 4 units, you can’t shift another part of it by 2. (And you got into Berkeley? Oh, the future…)</p>
<p>And god, just let this topic die already. (Nobody cares about your opinion on the opposite sex. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and all that.)</p>
<p>alchohol = everyone looks good… besides p<strong><em>y is p</em></strong>y right? haha jk</p>
<p>honestly though, the females arent that bad.</p>
<p>pretty soon the 1-10 scale turns into binary (1 = will f.u.c.k. 0 = will not f.u.c.k)</p>
<p>“'Cept, if you’re going to shift a scale by 4 units, you can’t shift another part of it by 2. (And you got into Berkeley? Oh, the future…)”</p>
<p>Diminishing marginal utility. As you go up the scale the Berkeley goggles benefit you less. To the point where if a girl is a 10 without the goggles, then she will still be a 10 with the goggles.</p>
<p>Er, that’s not how the law of diminishing marginal utility works, from what I’ve learned.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://william-king.www.drexel.edu/top/Prin/txt/MUch/Eco416.html[/url]”>http://william-king.www.drexel.edu/top/Prin/txt/MUch/Eco416.html</a></p>
<p>But it’s not the quantity of the “good” (girl) here that increases; it’s the quality, which here is theoretically quantifiable. Alternately:</p>
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<p><a href=“http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawofdiminishingutility.asp[/url]”>http://www.investopedia.com/terms/l/lawofdiminishingutility.asp</a></p>
<p>A girl who is a 9 in “Berkeley vision” would be a 13 in “regular vision.” If you have a set scale of 10, and everyone falls into that, then you don’t need to go beyond that. But if the scale is offset, then you are implying that everyone doesn’t fall into that scale of 10, and thus the scale is shifted up past 10. That’s simply how logical numerical scales work.</p>
<p>At any rate, this discussion here is stupid.</p>
<p>UCBUCB, that’s what some of my friends would do…there was also…1-ish when you were drunk.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.dailycal.org/sharticle.php?id=18535[/url]”>http://www.dailycal.org/sharticle.php?id=18535</a></p>
<p>" Men need to stop judging women by media standards and appreciate them for everything that they are. If men were to show a little more respect toward the opposite sex, maybe they would get a date once in a while and end all this bitterness and myth-making.</p>
<p>If this doesn’t work for you, then move to Los Angeles and try to find yourself a supposed “hot” girl as you say. Thing is, once you get there you will have another complaint: that you can’t get with any of them. "</p>
<p>wow, this topic even hit the daily cal… hahahah</p>
<p>Oops, I meant Diminishing Marginal Returns</p>
<p>“In economics, diminishing returns is also called diminishing marginal returns or the law of diminishing returns. According to this relationship, in a production system with fixed and variable inputs (say factory size and labor), beyond some point, each additional unit of variable input yields less and less additional output.”</p>
<p>So in this machine that is the Berkeley Goggles, the fixed input is a 1 point on the rating scale, the variable input every point above 1 and the output is the final point amount.</p>
<p>For each girl, the more and more points I feed into the goggles, the less additional points come out of the system.</p>