How come USC excludes its "Spring Admits" in its published acceptance rate?

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You are getting into the weeds! :grin:

Northeastern London is a separate institution but part of Northeastern University. Not sure about Oakland but I read that they had to get approval from the State of California before they could offer degree programs there, even though they were identical to the Boston programs.

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Does that mean both London Scholars and Oakland Scholars would be counted as fall freshman admits? Or like me, you’re not sure? :laughing:

Would you happen to know of any published online resource that would have more information about the number of students in these programs? I am just curious. If alternative entry programs like this become more popular at different universities (where they begin to represent a biggish proportion of freshman admits), it would make me wonder if the CDS format needs to be updated to accommodate them.

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Not sure.

When Northeastern started rising in the rankings they trumpeted the stats. That brought more scorn to the school and fed the “gaming” frenzy. So now they do not publicize the stats much. The most detailed figures I have seen were provided by a high school GC from a confidential email he posted in a thread here. They were just for ED I though.
ED I Acceptance Stats for Fall 2024 Entry - Colleges and Universities A-Z / Northeastern University - College Confidential Forums

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Thanks! It looks like NU immerse is on the Boston campus from that description, so I would assume these are included as fall freshmen (similar to UCB’s FPF program, mentioned somewhere above).

I do get the impression that admits to the alternate entry programs are less likely in the ED1 round, since anecdotally on the threads, I see a lot of admits to those programs showing up in the later rounds. But it’s still helpful to see the numbers for ED1.

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Columbia does this too. I think they do this because of the “no waitlist” policy. Just curious, are you a freshman in HS? I think I read in a different post that you love physics and are a freshman in HS. If so I am amazed you are so on the ball with all nuances of college apps. Is USC one of your top choices? After my kid starts at SC I will be back to talk about VPP to other parents but I will exit out after that. I think it’s good to get all the infos but sometimes with college results, luck is not always on your side. Even if you have all the stats. Just speaking from experience. It really is sometimes just luck and who reads your essays. On a side note, if you like physics, there is a program through MIT through the summer for future physics majors. You should look into it. I also believe Caltech also offers this as well. Good luck to your future.

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No, I’m a parent. I have S23 who is a freshman in college studying engineering, and D26 starting to look at colleges. I think you might’ve confused me with another poster. Apologies for the digression :slight_smile:

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Not really sure what NU Immerse is, but Foundation Year has been around for a while. It is for disadvantaged students, mostly from the City of Boston, who would not otherwise qualify for admission. If completed successfully, they can apply to the regular programs. It is part of the PILOT (Payment In Lieu of Taxes) arrangement with the city.

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LOL!! So sorry!!! The person had a similar name.:face_holding_back_tears::face_holding_back_tears: I have a D23 doing the Viterbi PP and hoping to start in the fall. You must have been shocked when I ask you something so odd.:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::100::100:

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Please move the discussion about Northeastern to PM or to another thread.

Thank you!

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To answer your original question, every school that offers alternative acceptances (spring, transfer program, different locations, etc) does not report that in their common data set or official acceptance numbers. The common data set numbers are for the students that start at that campus in Fall of that application season.

Edited to remove wrong data about waitlist.

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Edited, since the post it replied to was edited :grin:

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Editing post because waitlist is included in accepted totals. Learn something new every day :slight_smile:

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Edited, I like learning new things too! :+1:

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@mom2023SF In UCSB’s Common Data Set, the 5,043 number you cited has nothing to do with the waitlist. That figure just means that 5,043 of the 30,805 applicants who were accepted to UCSB actually ended up enrolling at the school.

As for the slight data discrepancy (30,805 accepted vs. 30,914 accepted), you’ll see that a lot with different UC campuses. The data changes during the summer and sometimes not all UC’s are great at making sure that the final counts are perfectly tied out.

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Every kid that begins in Fall term (quarter/semester) is supposed to be counted in both the numerator and denominator, regardless if they are ED1, ED 2, EA, Regular Admission, Wait List, Board Chair’s nephew, special athletic admit


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Whew, that’s a relief!

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I’m curious whether anyone knows—do schools report the numbers of students who were offered a spot off the waitlist but said no? In other words, do all waitlisted students who are offered admission for fall count as accepted?

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Yes, section C2 of the common data set has that information - # of applicants offered WL, # of students who accepted a spot on the WL, and then the # of WL admitted.

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In UCSB’s Common Data Set, the 5,043 number you cited has nothing to do with the waitlist. That figure just means that 5,043 of the 30,805 applicants who were accepted to UCSB actually ended up enrolling at the school.

Oops. I copied the wrong number. 5493 came off the waitlist.

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Yep, I was wrong :grimacing: I’ll edit my post to not mislead others!

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