How competitive are admissions for US citizens living abroad?

@renaissancedad -Exactly. There may or may not be someone in the world who combines the qualities needed to earn high marks in any IB course with the photographic memory that would be necessary to learn 10 subjects when there’s only so many hours in a week. I personally think this is likely, but any such student is probably a member of the vast majority of the world population that has no idea what the IB is. Or the large minority who lack a high school education. And also, most likely, the substantial majority that will never attend college.

So far as I know, AP exams aren’t available in my school’s region, and our school definitely doesn’t offer AP courses. We’re full IB-the MYP (a preparatory program for the DP), followed by the 2-year DP (which is what most people think of when you say "IB).

OP: Try to see if AP exams can be arranged in your region - provided there’s an interest in your taking them and as long as it doesn’t coincide with the IB exam dates! Otherwise, you’ll have to trust the placement exams in math and foreign language.

renaissancedad: I think that was OP’s point - if IB and AP were comparable, it’d be possible to have more than 3 HL courses a year; clearly that’s not possible, ergo HL’s are more than AP, and SLs are closer to AP than they’re given credit for. But that’s the way most US schools function, so…

A find:
http://www.wittenberg.edu/admission/ib
Could be a good safety for OP.

@MYOS1634 -I’ve got two language A courses (near-native speaker of what would otherwise be my language B), so I would trust the language placement exams with my life. I’m fairly confident with regards to math as well-I’m taking SL math because I chose several HL subjects over math without a second thought, but SL has been a breeze compared with upper-level math from the last year of the MYP (intended mostly as preparation for HL).

In any case, IB exams are next May and UK colleges won’t admit you purely on predicted grades like US schools will, so the last thing I want to do is add two APs that would either present a scheduling conflict with my IB exams or take time away from revision. In placement tests I trust.

Wittenberg seems like a fine school, but a brief look at the school’s courses, clubs, and common data set indicates it wouldn’t really be a fit for me.

The one downside to living abroad is that you have no automatic safety in your state’s flagship since you’re not recognized as in state anywhere. I agree Wittenberg may not be a good safety but it brings up an important issue - how you’ll select your stateside safeties.

@MYOS1634 -I’m working on a list of safeties, and I’ve got a few schools down already (chosen mostly for their PoliSci and/or Government programs). Places like Northeastern, Tufts, and William and Mary (although the latter is a school I might choose over 1-2 of my matches, due to some of its DC-related perks).

They aren’t automatic safeties, but I figure I might have a shot at some merit aid at a few of those schools-my SAT score and grades are well above their 75th percentiles, and while I can’t really judge my ECs objectively, they certainly won’t sink me.

TUfts, Northeastern, and W&M can’t be safeties because in addition to being above their 75% percentile, your safety should have at least 30% admission rates (40+% would actually be more like it). If you’re a serious HYP contender, then your matches would be in the 25-30/35 acceptance range, and your safeties above that.

@NotVerySmart, other than the large Estonian population in Chicago, why is UChicago your first choice? It’s obviously a tremendous school, but I’m curious as to your reasons.

@renaissancedad -There are a lot of reasons, although I hadn’t actually considered the Estonian population. I won’t be at a loss when the time comes to write my “Why UChicago” essay, that much is certain.

Part of it is the academics, obviously. It’s a great school. I first started paying attention simply because of Chicago’s reputation as a world-class school for economics. From the descriptions I’ve heard of the Core curriculum from a few current and former students, it sounds great-a continuation, in many ways, of the broad-based IB curriculums that have been the foundation of every school I’ve attended in the last decade. Although I’m unlikely to major in economics-partly because of what I’ve found to be the subject’s pedantic nature, and partly because I don’t much relish the idea of taking classes with large numbers of aspiring Wall Streeters-I’ve remained interested in the school, as I’ve learned more about the other things that make it a great place.

I’ve liked the school’s quirky personality since I read a piece on ScavHunt in the New Yorker a few years back, and traditions like an annual dip in Lake Michigan for some hardy souls do nothing to dispel the impression. There’s the usual attempts by the school itself to play some of those things up-I’ve lost count of the mentions I’ve seen of a working nuclear reactor built during a long-ago ScavHunt-but I’ve also come across quite a few anecdotes-of dormwide paintball games and similar escapades-outside university brochures and the like, which suggests to me that there really is a distinctive atmosphere at Chicago.

The school’s personality has also come across, for me, in the work of people like Gary Becker, Cass Sunstein and-perhaps most of all-Steven Levitt. Any school whose alumni include both Milton Friedman and Bernie Sanders-two people who, if nothing else, certainly haven’t been afraid to defy conventional wisdom-is clearly a place that welcomes differences of opinions and fosters new ideas.

Overall, I get the sense that people at UChicago are a very interesting bunch. The school’s lack of an Ivy League pedigree has also (from what I’ve read) attracted a slightly less preppy crowd-the son of senator X, Y, or Z won’t tend to choose Chicago when given his pick of schools, nor will most Middle Eastern royalty-and I won’t deny that I consider that a positive. A family friend is currently attending Harvard, and has described a sizable contingent of students that subscribes to the “if you’ve got it, flaunt it” school of thought when it comes to parental wealth. That’s something I’d rather steer clear of.

I’m glad the school competes in NCAA division III. That indicates to me that athletics aren’t likely to detract from the school’s educational mission in the way they do at, say, FSU. As someone who views with bemusement the obsession of some schools with their football programs, I’m among the minority who prefer a Div III college to a Div I school. My ambivalence towards college sports also stems, of course, from the fact that I wouldn’t be at risk of making a varsity team if Chicago competed in NCAA Division XIII.

I’m intrigued by the political scene, both at the university level and in the city. The juxtaposition of David Axelrod teaching at UChicago and a city with politics that once rivaled Tammany Hall’s is nothing short of unbelievable for me as a prospective Political Science/Government major.

And, though my mother’s done her best to make sure I have an open mind about colleges, not wanting to indoctrinate me at a young age, I have heard the occasional anecdote from her days at UChicago.

With all this in mind, I visited over the summer, taking advantage of a trip to Chicago to see what I already thought of as a great school, and just fell in love. I loved the campus, loved Hyde Park, and loved the city for more reasons than I could list in a week. I’m going to apply EA, and if I get an acceptance letter I feel sure that I won’t be sending out any RD applications.

It would seem, having set out to list in brief a few reasons I want to go to UChicago, I’ve instead written a long and rambling “why UChicago?” essay, so I’ll leave it at that.

@NotVerySmart, my apologies for not replying sooner. I was away over the weekend, with limited opportunities for internet access.

Your reasons sound very well thought out and cogent. I spent 7 years at UChicago as both a student (law) and faculty (medicine). It’s a wonderful intellectual and interdisciplinary environment, and sounds like it would be a great fit for you. The school does indeed have a “quirky” personality, and its not for everyone, which is part of why I asked; but I consider it a truly exceptional environment, and it will always have a special place for me.

Cass Sunstein is at Harvard now, BTW, though he was at the law school when I was there, and is certainly a brilliant legal theorist. Steven Levitt joined the faculty when I was there, though I never took classes with him. Gary Becker is of course one of the godfathers of law and economics.

You sound like a great applicant. Feel free to PM if I can do anything to help.