<p>Yeah, really. Let’s ensure high quality education for everyone in this country from k-12, and ensure affordable quality options for our own citizens, then we can solve the world’s problems. </p>
<p>And the people who hate us don’t hate us because we didn’t give them full tuition to Harvard.</p>
<p>Diversity? Yes. Integration? No. Most internationals stay to themselves. This is probably for another thread. My kid goes to a large Uni, there is self segregation of each race/culture. My kid’s small private high school was more integrated. The internationals tend to stick to themselves and the main steam Americans also do not make any effort. My kids have learned more about different cultures by traveling to different countries than from international students at their school. I am frankly very puzzled as to why we admit internationals who can’t pay full fare.</p>
<p>I don’t believe poetgrl suggested we educate the world. Just the international super special snowflakes?</p>
<p>Oldfort, and my kids’ experiences are more varied.<br>
Would you like it to be different? More integration? Because that seems to suggest math geniuses should integrate, too.</p>
<p>Well, actually, I selfishly suggested we ought to educate the world’s extra special snowflakes and keep them here in the United States. ;)</p>
<p>sounds good to me. anyone else?</p>
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<p>This really depends on the campus culture and the individual students from both the internationals and mainstream American camps. If they are keeping separated, a critical mass from one or both groups aren’t doing enough to reach out to the other. </p>
<p>Considering the US is home territory to the mainstream American students…it is my opinion that there’s a greater onus for the college administration and American students to put forth an effort to reach out, befriend, and integrate each other into the larger university community. And many American students do put forth that effort and international students do respond in kind. Unfortunately, some campuses are better about this than others. </p>
<p>It wouldn’t surprise me if adcoms examine an applicant’s ability to step out of their comfort zone in areas such as American students being proactively willing to befriend and integrate internationals into the larger university community or vice versa as part of the application process. Granted, this is something I’d group under “willingness to learn”. </p>
<p>Especially if a given college is a small LAC and they’re trying to encourage more international students to apply and screen out students unwilling to step out of their comfort zones socially.</p>
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<p>Before 2001, we were very effective at doing this…especially for students at the graduate levels. </p>
<p>Afterwards…not as much for various reasons.</p>
<p>“There are some exceptions–e.g., Bill Gates. But I think that overall, Harvard’s admissions goals are somewhat different from MIT’s.”</p>
<p>I am not quite sure on that. Harvard likes people they can claim won stuff in these kinds of competitions. OTOH, why do kids attending Philips Exeter need more advantages? </p>
<p>[Demographics</a> Of U.S.A. Mathematical Olympiad (USAMO) Winners?Absolutely No Surprises | VDARE.com](<a href=“http://www.vdare.com/posts/usamo-winners]Demographics”>Demographics Of U.S.A. Mathematical Olympiad (USAMO) Winners—Absolutely No Surprises | Blog Posts | VDARE.com)</p>
<p>Most top schools are holding 10% of their seats for Internationals whether people like it or not. Several of them also claim to be need blind without reference to location (Harvard, Princeton, Yale?) while some claim to be need blind only for North America. However, some do like to admit billionaires kids from abroad and hedge their future money raising bets. Cornell got an endowment from an Indian Billionaire who went there 30+ years ago to fund 20 students in total at any given time of Indian origin.</p>
<p>[Tata</a> Scholarship | Admissions](<a href=“http://admissions.cornell.edu/apply/international-students/tata-scholarship]Tata”>http://admissions.cornell.edu/apply/international-students/tata-scholarship)</p>
<p>xiggi - just finished watching Harvard beat New Mexico (14th seed vs 3rd). You think they are competing for athletes now?</p>
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Harvard, Princeton, Yale, MIT, Dartmouth, and Amherst; I believe that’s the list in totality.</p>
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<p>I dont see why it is so difficult to accept that we look after our personal best interest first and foremost. Those who are the most successful are the ones who know what is in their personal best interest and pursue it most vigorously. To paraphrase Ayn Rand, the sidewalks is not full of people carrying placards looking for an opportunity to sacrifice themselves for the sake of others.</p>
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<p>I suspect they were probably given scholarships to attend Philips Exeter to make the school look good. This is what I have seen here and I doubt it is any different in the US.</p>
<p>Tpg- great reminder that the funds that support intl kids are sometimes already earmarked as such, by donors.</p>
<p>As a new comer to the world of researching colleges for my oldest child, can someone guide me to a list of explanations for all the acronyms and abbreviations used here?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Cornell and many colleges are need blind when it comes to admission, but they don’t meet full need when it comes to FA for internationals.</p>
<p>I remember some people saying earlier that they were angry MIT said they were “perfect” and every decision was correct or something along those lines. I thought I’d bump this thread to link to a recently posted blog/quote:
[Think</a> About This | MIT Admissions](<a href=“http://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/think-about-this]Think”>Think About This | MIT Admissions)</p>
<p>Well, some very literal people didn’t know how to read MIT’s earlier statement. Guess smarts in STEM aren’t everything. </p>
<p>MIT’s statement above is such a “no duh” statement that it’s kind of sad their applicant pool needs to be told these things. Normal people seem to know this, but some allegedly bright people need to have the obvious pounded into their heads.</p>
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<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/52585-abbreviation-thread.html?highlight=abbreviations[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/parents-forum/52585-abbreviation-thread.html?highlight=abbreviations</a></p>
<p>Start with post 267…It will save your a great deal of time figuring it out…</p>
<p>This statement by MIT is trivial and has little to do with the discussion on this thread.</p>
<p>The great thing about CC forums is that threads go off on tangents and no one “owns” any particular discussion. I thought the MIT statement was interesting, not trivial at all and I look forward to other contributions from other posters.</p>
<p>At Harvard I had an international roommate who absolutely did not stick with her own group. My younger son at Tufts also has many international friends. My former roommate has spent time both overseas and here in the US since graduation, but has spent the last 25 years or so married to an American doing environmental work here. I think both the US and the world benefit from educated citizens. That doesn’t mean I think we need to give aid to every international that applies, but I’m glad some colleges are able to do that, and that we don’t just get upper class international students at our colleges.</p>
<p>My D’s school has lots of internationals and gives FA and I think it’s great. What I find odd is when internationals post expecting financial aid.</p>